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[Tha Realest]

I keep hearing how “big donors” are moving away from Desantis because of the Disney thing. Can someone please show me how multiple donors have moved on from him because of this?

 

[GoofGoof]

I know that.

And I know how sales tax is collected and paid, along with corporate income tax.

Disney pays Florida corporate income tax based on revenues earned in Florida.

We all pay the income tax of corporations when we purchase a commodity or service.

But I'd rather not get too deep into tax accounting in this thread. I'm retired...too much like work.

Even their revenue in FL is not all from WDW. Some comes from cruises, some from Disney+ subscribers, some from ESPN, etc, etc

 

[Tha Realest]

Even their revenue in FL is not all from WDW. Some comes from cruises, some from Disney+ subscribers, some from ESPN, etc, etc

It’s also a California-based company. FL would have no claim on non FL-based revenue sources.

 

[LAKid53]

I’m not so sure the Court even wants to open that can of worms anyway. Just because there is a conservative majority doesn’t mean they will do whatever DeSantis wants because he’s a Republican. It doesn’t work that way. I also think they’d be smart enough to realize almost half the states and the Federal government are currently run by the other side so allowing this activity to go unchecked would open up conservatives to persecution by liberal governments as well.

I'm not sure SCOTUS would accept the case.

 

[Chi84]

I keep hearing how “big donors” are moving away from Desantis because of the Disney thing. Can someone please show me how multiple donors have moved on from him because of this?

It’s not the only reason - I don’t think it’s the main one - but it is mentioned.

'I think he's in trouble': Growing number of Ron DeSantis donors and allies hope for a shake-up

As he gets ready to jump into the 2024 presidential race, the Florida governor is sticking with his strategy of putting culture wars front and center.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[LAKid53]

It’s also a California-based company. FL would have no claim on non FL-based revenue sources.

Correct. And no one is saying the state does.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

There is plenty of free speech. As Scalia wrote in his dissent:

The First Amendment guarantees that you and I can say and believe whatever we like (subject to a few tradition based exceptions, such as obscenity and "fighting words") without going to jail or being fined. What it ought to guarantee beyond that is not at all the simple question the Court assumes.​

Scalia is looking at the original intent of the First Amendment, when British subjects were fined and imprisoned for their political views.

This is not the same as the government "subsidizing" (Scalia's word) views it does not agree with.

By changing the makeup of the RCID board, the State of Florida neither fined nor jailed Disney or its employees. Scalia, as an Originalist, reads restrictions on jailing and fining as the original intent of the First Amendment.

Let's consider the current interpretation of ex post facto laws, an interpretation understood by all justices in the United States.

The text of the Constitution states:

No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.​

The plain text reads "no ex post facto laws". Period. No conditions. No exceptions. As worded, it's absolute.

No U.S. Court interprets it this way.

The universal interpretation by all U.S. Courts is that, per Calder, ex post facto law restrictions only apply to criminal punishments, specifically increased fines and imprisonment. (Conversely, ex post facto laws can be applied to civil matters, or can reduce punishments.)

The opinion Scalia expressed in his dissent of O'Hare Truck Service is consistent with the universal interpretation of ex post facto laws.

What exact “dissent” of Scalia are you quoting

Cause he wrote the majority opinion on the case that granted corporations a “mind and soul” and the ability to speak freely with their wallets

 

[GoofGoof]

It’s not the only reason - I don’t think it’s the main one - but it is mentioned.

'I think he's in trouble': Growing number of Ron DeSantis donors and allies hope for a shake-up

As he gets ready to jump into the 2024 presidential race, the Florida governor is sticking with his strategy of putting culture wars front and center.

www.nbcnews.com

I posted one a few pages back as well with another donor saying it factored into his decision to pull back. Poor decisions in general of which this is just one of many.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I'm not sure SCOTUS would accept the case.

The scotus would only except if Disney has lost a circuit ruling…which is unlikely

They could remand it back to them and end it

 

[LAKid53]

Even their revenue in FL is not all from WDW. Some comes from cruises, some from Disney+ subscribers, some from ESPN, etc, etc

Disney's quarterly and annual reports will break down revenue earned from various divisions and geographic locations. Their SEC 10K will provide even more detail than an annual report.

 

[Chi84]

There’s reason I’ve got some folks on ignore already.

“Ignore” is an excellent option if someone provokes you to the point of insults or personal attacks.

Well-articulated and honest opinions need to be politely considered if you want true discussion to occur. At the very least it makes you examine your own position a bit more thoroughly.

 

[hopemax]

I don't use ignore because it reminds me about why the real world is trending the way it is. Despite the idiocy of some of the arguments, the fact that they're participating in the discussion means that even "our idiots" are more informed than a lot of people in the real word.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

In Citizens United, the Federal Government had a law (the Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act) that fined companies for spending on campaigns within a certain number of days of a general election. In O'Hare Truck Service, Scalia specified that the First Amendment protected against "going to jail or being fined." The Federal Government was fining Citizens United (the corporation).

In O'Hare Truck Service, the City of Northlake declined to include the O'Hare Truck Service on its rotating list of companies available to perform towing services. As suggested by Scalia, this is neither prison nor a fine, and is not protected by the First Amendment.

Scalia's opinions on the two cases are consistent with each other.

Ok…but “dissent” is misleading

…because Scalia spent 30 years trying to rig everything to give rich men and their businesses autonomy to buy what they wanted…
…and the easiest way to do that is make everything they do “free speech” and therefore “hallowed ground”.

He served Disney here.

 

[mkt]

Hey, a boat payment is a boat payment.

How much do you think the attorneys doing the grunt work on both sides of this sh!!show take home after their student loan payments?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Thanks.

It sounds like you have the same opinion I do of Citizens United and Bellotti.

Well it happens to be the correct one…in this case

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

How much do you think the attorneys doing the grunt work on both sides of this sh!!show take home after their student loan payments?

Same as Florida unemployment

 

[mkt]

Same as Florida unemployment

I think it’s hilarious that I, a professional creative, out-earn most of the attorneys I know.

What a cked economy we live in

 

[Tha Realest]

I posted one a few pages back as well with another donor saying it factored into his decision to pull back. Poor decisions in general of which this is just one of many.

I’ve only seen Peterffy - a longtime Trump donor and friend - mention Disney (among social issues) as a reason. That’s one. Still haven’t seen any other donors pull away.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I don't use ignore because it reminds me about why the real world is trending the way it is. Despite the idiocy of some of the arguments, the fact that they're participating in the discussion means that even "our idiots" are more informed than a lot of people in the real word.

Why the manifesto, Karl?

 

[hopemax]

Why the manifesto, Karl?

I don't want my brain to experience a rapid unscheduled disassembly when someone recounts what their friend or relative read on social media. This helps me recalibrate my own "people can't really believe this stuff, can they?" radar.