More funding for improved education?. Try in TX, more funding to pay for high salaries for football coaching staff, improved stadium and workout facilities for the high school athletes. High school football in TX is religion ( ie, Odessa, Allen , etc )..
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News Reedy Creek Improvement District and the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District
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GoofGoof
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Why would you think it won’t be appealed? I would say it’s almost certain to be appealed no matter what the result is. If Disney loses they will appeal. If the state loses why would they not appeal? I do think it’s unlikely the Supreme Court takes up this case unless something very unusual comes out in the ruling so I think this case is definitively settled by the appeals court. I agree that in appeal it’s less about establishing facts and more about apply the law to those facts.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
You don’t need to try this hard…we get it.
…I was gonna try to untangle that too…but what’s the point?
UNCgolf
Well-Known Member
My guess is he's thinking DeSantis will no longer be governor by the time it gets to the appeals process, and the new governor won't be interested in continuing the DeSantis crusade.
Since Florida eliminated the requirement for him to resign, though, there's a much better chance he will still be in office. Things are not looking great for him in terms of winning the Republican nomination, although there's time for that to change.
Disone
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So don't get me wrong. I was pro DeSantis. I voted for him. But how he's handled this debuncle has changed my mind. I'm not blind. So he's going to try to sell me that he as the governor, the governor of the state of Florida, did not know that his state's largest tax contributor, the Walt Disney company, was sitting on officially the Reedy Creek improvement district? For four years he ran the state of Florida and did not know this? He's the governor! And he didn't know this? Come on.....
Patcheslee
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Don't know, guess they only do so many per week? There's over 100 waiting for confirmation listed on the Administrative Appointments page
Some have accomplished careers in repeating lies so eventually people will believe it as truth.
PolitiFact - Walt Disney World was not tax-exempt in Florida, contrary to social media claims
Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis signed a bill to repeal a decades-old agreement that allowed the Walt Disney Company to operat
www.politifact.com
"DeSantis erases Disney’s tax exempt law. Will cost Disney $200 Mil in taxes. Per year," read an April 21 caption alongside a photoshopped image of DeSantis standing in front of a trash can with Mickey and Minnie Mouse’s heads peeking out.
The post was flagged as part of Facebook’s efforts to combat false news and misinformation on its News Feed. (Read more about our partnership with Facebook.)
The grammatically problematic statement propped up many inaccuracies about the impact of the new law, and it mischaracterized the privileges the tax district originally awarded Disney.
Disney already pays taxes in Florida
Reedy Creek, a special taxing district for the Walt Disney World Resort that acted with the authority of a county government, was created in 1967 to lure the entertainment giant to Orlando.
Under the agreement, Disney was responsible for building and maintaining municipal services like power, roads, and fire protection — which ensured that the residents of Orange and Osceola counties would not have to pay for such services.
Disney's most significant benefit from the arrangement was not financial but rather the autonomy to develop the 25,000 acres it owns in Central Florida without much of the oversight other developers typically have.
Though the deal provided Disney with several privileges, it did not make the theme park tax-exempt. Disney World contributed more than $780 million in state and local taxes in fiscal year 2021, according to a company disclosure.
The Facebook post’s claim that Disney will now have to pay $200 million in taxes annually appears to be based on the false premise that Disney wasn’t already paying taxes.
The $200 million figure seems to be derived from state Rep. Spencer Roach, a Republican from North Fort Myers. He told NBC News that Disney had avoided around $200 million in property taxes that surrounding counties could have collected.
The article noted that Roach’s Democratic colleagues and officials in Central Florida questioned his math and the claim that Disney has not paid property taxes.
Roach did not respond to our request for comment.
"There’s this perception that Reedy Creek somehow gave Disney property tax breaks," said Scott Randolph, Orange County’s tax collector. "It does not do that."
Our ruling
A Facebook post said DeSantis "erased Disney’s tax exempt law. Will cost Disney $200 Mil in taxes. Per year!"
DeSantis did not "erase" any tax-exempt status for Disney. That misconstrues the special taxing district status that is in the process of being removed.
We could not find evidence to substantiate the $200 million tax figure cited in the claim.
We rate this claim False.
GimpYancIent
Well-Known Member
How about this? What if, this issue is settle amicably and with an NDA? What will anyone have to talk about?
Patcheslee
Well-Known Member
Exactly, even if the qualifications would have been left to original RCID requirements minus land ownership, he could have chose people with experience in the previous fields. From overview it looks like he chose friendly lawyers, one whom helped him with another A1 viololation and a Karen looking to make a name for herself.
RamblinWreck
Well-Known Member
That doesn’t even seem possible.
CaptainAmerica
Premium Member
Because I don't think anyone actually cares. It's all performative. Once the primary is over, the performance is no longer necessary.
WDW's "special tax" district...
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$1.146 billion in State and Local Taxes
As the largest single taxpayer in Central Florida, Walt Disney World paid and collected $1.146 billion in state and local taxes during 2022.
Disney in Florida
At Walt Disney World Resort we are honored to be part of the Central Florida community. Explore how we create a brighter future for our region.
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Chi84
Premium Member
But his motive in going after Disney was political, so choosing culture war flamethrowers suited his purpose at the time. That's what he focused on in speeches, his book, etc.
From what I'm seeing lately, the coverage is turning away from outrage over the first amendment violation to concern about a governor who's willing to hurt a business that provides huge economic benefits to his own state to suit his own political agenda. He has to play to the base even more than the other guy in order to get the nomination, but what happens then? The former president never had the reputation of being anti-business, which doesn't play well with people whose support DeSantis will need.
I never cared one way or the other about DeSantis until recently, and I doubt he'll get the nomination for reasons that have nothing to do with Disney, but it seems he's getting reckless with this particular tactic.
CaptainAmerica
Premium Member
Those attacks are coming from GOP establishment types who are polling at like 2% support. I don't think Nikki Haley is a reasonable barometer of where the Republican base is in 2023.
I disagree. If DeSantis loses the GOP primary in 2024, he has 2 more years as governor. Depending on who wins the general election, he can run in 2028 in a wide open field. He doesn't want to run as "the man who lost to Mickey".
Those attacks are also coming from the individual he needs to peel supporters from.
lazyboy97o
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That’s not a possible outcome. The laws either exist or they don’t. The contracts either exists or they don’t. They all must be public record.
mikejs78
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In April/May of 2015, either Jeb Bush or Scott Walker led Republican primary polling, depending on the poll. Donald Trump was polling at less than 1% at the time, which is below what Nikki Haley, Mike Pence, Asa Hutchinson, Chris Christie, and Vivek Ramanswarmy. In April of 2011, Mike Huckabee and Sarah Palin were the frontrunners, with Mitt Romney coming in third. I think it is way too early to say what the barometer of where the republican base is in 2023.
Besides that, It's not just her - it's Trump, Pence, numerous senators, the speaker of the house, the WSJ editorial page, conservative lawyers, and most impactful to DeSantis' prospects, the donor class.
Angel Ariel
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I’m not surprised. Fear of retaliation esp when you see retaliation happening in real time can be hard for people to get past