News Reedy Creek Improvement District and the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District

[GoofGoof]

Who approves them? How does that work?

I’m not an expert so someone correct me if this is not right, but based on previous discussion the injunctions are part of the filing so that goes to the Federal Judge who is assigned this case and he decides. The preliminary injunction just pauses things until the full case is decided. What’s still unclear to me is who controls the district if the judge approves the injunction. I believe based on the filing Disney is asking to reverse the bills used to change control of the board so if it’s approved does the old RCID board just take back over?

 

[mkt]

The one‘s getting paid probably don’t mind too much….especially those hired by the district who contributed to DeSantis. They are getting good return on their donations

Those are the bosses. The ones actually doing the work are probably annoyed for doing these political favors for the bosses over actual work.

 

[flynnibus]

It’s not unusual for a current governor to run for president. Plenty of precedent. Just not in Florida.

Is it just as common for one party to unwind the establishment so their one guy can escape the constraints and transparency requirements normally associated with their role?

Because that’s what’s actually happening… in Florida

 

[flynnibus]

Is your argument that all legislative action taken in a governor's second term is somehow illegitimate?

Not everything is a Day 1 priority.

Not day 1… but somehow so urgent to require two special sessions…

Fascinating…

 

[GimpYancIent]

I get the jokes on attorneys, but let's be real, attorneys don't celebrate this nonsense, just like oncologists don't celebrate more cancer.

Yes, let's get real, attorneys do not celebrate this nonsense. Attorneys know enough to not disrupt the lucrative revenue stream.

 

[LittleBuford]

Is your argument that all legislative action taken in a governor's second term is somehow illegitimate?

Not everything is a Day 1 priority.

Is your argument that the timing of all this shouldn’t matter?

 

[flynnibus]

Which is entirely plausible given that there are something like 2,000 special districts in Florida and I wouldn't expect any governor to be an expert on every single one until and unless something happens that brings one of them to his or her attention.

Yeah… it’s like he believed WDW just appeared from immaculate conception…

Or maybe he thought it was some sort of Indian reservation

Ffs the guy grew up in Florida… and cognizant enough to get into harvard. You don’t think he ever had the passing thought of how wdw came to be?

 

[flynnibus]

What’s still unclear to me is who controls the district if the judge approves the injunction

That’s the judge’s call… but the intent of an injunction is not to undo things but to basically prevent further harm. It’s likely to leave things as is but with constraints or required reviews

 

[LAKid53]

A DVC class action should be started expecially if it going to up the taxes we pay on DVC

That's right, out dues also include property taxes.

 

[JAB]

At this point I have to believe people either didn't read the article or don't care what it says. They just want to repeat that Disney shouldn't run its own government.

The most frustrating thing for me with this claim by DeSantis and his supporters is the belief that "running its own government" gave Disney free reign to do anything they wanted and could just ignore state and county laws, implying that they didn't have to pay taxes or follow safety regulations, when in reality, they paid more taxes and in many cases actually implemented stricter regulations than the state or county.

In addition, he added to the misinformation about what Disney's "own government" allowed it to do by making it seem like the inspection exemption was part of RCID and that, by adding new inspections, he's just making Disney "play by the same rules" when the truth is that the inspection exemption is completely separate legislation from RCID, and it grants Universal and Sea World the same benefit, yet the "fair" new inspection bills are worded to only affect Disney and not the other exempt parks, adding more credence to the claim that Disney is being singled out and that punishing them is their actual goal rather than "leveling the playing field" as they claim.

 

[lentesta]

With tomorrow’s board meeting, and the board being left to enforce the will of the emperor for the time being. What can we expect the board to do to the district in the time they still have power?

More rhetoric? When do we expect the injunction to be issued so they can’t cause more harm?

I think it’s to set up their legal defense, no?

The big decision, I think, is whether they go with their existing lawyers to defend the entire board as one unit.

 

[LAKid53]

It’s not unusual for a current governor to run for president. Plenty of precedent. Just not in Florida.

This isn't the first time the resign-to-run law has been modified so a Republican can run for federal office.

 

[Andrew C]

This isn't the first time the resign-to-run law has been modified so a Republican can run for federal office.

And it won’t be the last I’m sure, depending on how many states have this in place. It’s a silly law. Doesn’t make sense to stop your state’s top leader from running, IMO. We wouldn’t really be talking about it if it were not for Ron’s silly disney fight.

 

[LAKid53]

The governor wasn’t aware of how the states third biggest employer operates in an area of that size. No one is buying that…

And a major source of tax revenue.

 

[lazyboy97o]

He’s not retaliatory just incompetent is his position?

That’s pretty much the position they have to take with the Comprehensive Plan since the District is now claiming it doesn’t actually comply with state law.

There are 1,844 special districts in Florida. I guarantee you that there isn't a single person on the planet that is aware of every single one of them.

The Acting Secretary of the Department of Economic Opportunity is named in the suit because that’s the department’s job. Not know is fine, but it doesn’t explain the sudden, multiple emergencies that required no study and two special sessions.

 

[LAKid53]

And it won’t be the last I’m sure, depending on how many states have this in place. It’s a silly law. Doesn’t make sense to stop your state’s top leader from running, IMO. We wouldn’t really be talking about it if it were not for Ron’s silly disney fight.

Except every time a sitting governor considers running for federal office, it is talked about - when Bob Graham ran for US Senate in 1986 and Rick Scott in 2010. Graham resigned before his term as senator started. Scott refused to do so.

 

[GoofGoof]

The most frustrating thing for me with this claim by DeSantis and his supporters is the belief that "running its own government" gave Disney free reign to do anything they wanted and could just ignore state and county laws, implying that they didn't have to pay taxes or follow safety regulations, when in reality, they paid more taxes and in many cases actually implemented stricter regulations than the state or county.

In addition, he added to the misinformation about what Disney's "own government" allowed it to do by making it seem like the inspection exemption was part of RCID and that, by adding new inspections, he's just making Disney "play by the same rules" when the truth is that the inspection exemption is completely separate legislation from RCID, and it grants Universal and Sea World the same benefit, yet the "fair" new inspection bills are worded to only affect Disney and not the other exempt parks, adding more credence to the claim that Disney is being singled out and that punishing them is their actual goal rather than "leveling the playing field" as they claim.

I just saw a clip of DeSantis speaking and when asked about the Disney situation he said he’s not going to let a corporation control their own government and avoid taxes. Why continue stating something that is just a blatant lie? They were not avoiding taxes. When someone insists on lying about something as basic and provable as this it invalidates anything else they say on the topic.

 

[peter11435]

And it won’t be the last I’m sure, depending on how many states have this in place. It’s a silly law. Doesn’t make sense to stop your state’s top leader from running, IMO. We wouldn’t really be talking about it if it were not for Ron’s silly disney fight.

Disagree. I think it’s an important law that should exist everywhere. Running for president is itself a full time job. There is no way that someone can hold an elected office such as governor and adequately perform their duties while simultaneously holding the full time job that is running a presidential campaign. Not to mention the potential of using the power and resources of your current position as a tool to grow, publicize, and fund your campaign.

 

[mikejs78]

Opinion | Disney v. DeSantis: How Strong Is the Company’s Lawsuit?

The First Amendment ramifications are substantial.

www.nytimes.com

An opinion piece that references a case that was about a privilege. Nixing a privilege was still considered a punishment.

The author is a conservative who actually supported the original legislation that Disney spoke out against, so his position is interesting. He's also a more traditional conservative (he falls in the Never Trump camp).

Thing is, if this gets to the supreme court, of the six Rwpublican-appointed justices, I see three of them as more "traditional conservative" - Roberts, Kavanaugh, and Barrett; one as libertarian - Gorsuch, and two as more radical and partisan - Alito and Thomas.

With the three Democrat appointed justices, I can see anywhere from a 5-4 decision in favor of Disney to a 7-2 decision. I can see an outside change of a 5-4 decision in favor of DeSantis, but only if all three progressives side with him, which I think is unlikely.

since the District is now claiming it doesn’t actually comply with state law.

Interesting given that the state approved the plan.

 

[Andrew C]

Except every time a sitting governor considers running for federal office, it is talked about - when Bob Graham ran for US Senate in 1986 and Rick Scott in 2010. Graham resigned before his term as senator started. Scott refused to do so.

Talk about it if you want. I just don’t see it as a controversial move. Bill Clinton. George Bush. Heck even Rick Perry. Not to mention all the senators that didn’t resign.