News Reedy Creek Improvement District and the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District

MickeyCB

Well-Known Member
I have mentioned here previously - Disney does not have a lot of fans out there, aside from, well, fans.
Have to beg to differ.
Millions visiting Disney parks per year. Bazillions spent on merch, movies, etc. worldwide.
Are they all rabid fans like us, of course not.
Are there absolute 'Disney is a blood sucking corporation we hate them' people out there, yes.
But yes, Disney has fans.
 

scottieRoss

Well-Known Member
You're missing the point.

How does the average person answering the poll view this?

Can they get their own special district? Can their parents get their own special district? Can their neighbor get a special district? Does the ordinary person working a regular job have a realistic chance of creating their very own special district?

Another mega-corporation (i.e. Universal/Comcast) is just another example of a huge corporation getting special treatment.

RCID was created by Walt Disney himself buddying up with Governor Burns. How many get to shmooze with a governor? How many get to have the legislature create a law just for them?

That's the point. It typically takes means far beyond the average person to get a special district. To the average person, any corporation getting a special district is preferential treatment.
Now it is not exactly the same, because I live in Texas, not Florida. But i live in 2 special districts. 1 is a Crime Control District, where we pay additional taxes (.25% sales and also property taxes) and the district buys equipment for law enforcement and security items in our local district like fences and lighting for schools, playgrounds and the dog park. We also have an economic development one where we have an additional .5% sales tax that is used to encourage businesses and give grants for business exteriors. They were voted into existence by the residents and then have elected boards from the citizens that live here.
 

Chi84

Premium Member
You're missing the point.

How does the average person answering the poll view this?

Can they get their own special district? Can their parents get their own special district? Can their neighbor get a special district? Does the ordinary person working a regular job have a realistic chance of creating their very own special district?

Another mega-corporation (i.e. Universal/Comcast) is just another example of a huge corporation getting special treatment.

RCID was created by Walt Disney himself buddying up with Governor Burns. How many get to shmooze with a governor? How many get to have the legislature create a law just for them?

That's the point. It typically takes means far beyond the average person to get a special district. To the average person, any corporation getting a special district is preferential treatment.
I think you’ve established your point that if someone doesn’t know why RCID was created or what it is and does they would be against it based on uninformed beliefs.
 

LittleBuford

Well-Known Member
Have to beg to differ.
Millions visiting Disney parks per year. Bazillions spent on merch, movies, etc. worldwide.
Are they all rabid fans like us, of course not.
Are there absolute 'Disney is a blood sucking corporation we hate them' people out there, yes.
But yes, Disney has fans.
I was likewise puzzled by that claim. Thank you for articulating a robust response to it.
 

Vegas Disney Fan

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If someone proposed the full RCID setup today it would likely not receive positive public sentiment.

I agreed with 99% of your post except this one line, I think if they proposed it affectively people would still support it.

The first thing that came to mind reading that was land in the desert outside Vegas, if a company bought 27 square miles (or whatever WDW is) of land 30 miles away from the city and they proposed a special district to let them pay for the roads, water, drainage, electrical, etc instead of using our limited tax dollars (purely for the benefit of that company) I would absolutely support that special district.

RCiD was approved because it benefited Florida as much as Disney, I think there are still scenarios where that’s just as true today, it may be unpopular to give companies so much power but I think if it was properly explained people would still support it.
 

Tha Realest

Well-Known Member
I was reading up on the issues with the new construction affecting Shades of Green’s walkway over to Poly/TTC, and had a thought. The DOD apparently owns the physical buildings for SOG, and has a 100 year lease for the land underneath. We’re seeing how these road projects affect their property in real time. Is DOD an “affected property owner” for the purposes of notice?
 

JAB

Well-Known Member
I was reading up on the issues with the new construction affecting Shades of Green’s walkway over to Poly/TTC, and had a thought. The DOD apparently owns the physical buildings for SOG, and has a 100 year lease for the land underneath. We’re seeing how these road projects affect their property in real time. Is DOD an “affected property owner” for the purposes of notice?
I don't believe so because it's "affected landowners" and Disney owns the land. Same thing with Swan & Dolphin - Tishman owns the buildings, but Disney owns the land.
 

Chi84

Premium Member
Disney's special tax district is special. You and I can't simply walk up to city hall and get our own special tax district. It takes time, money, and political connections. Whether it's Disney or Universal or The Villages, it is a sweetheart deal that applicants pursue because it benefits the applicants. Whether it benefits anyone else, well, that's incidental. To the average poll respondent, it is preferential treatment that only the rich and powerful get.
I agree there may be a misconception of what a special taxing district is, why one was necessary for WDW to choose Florida as a location and build an entertainment complex of that size and scope, and what benefits the company actually gets from it.

Why on earth would anyone need or want a special taxing district? I know people can be silly, but to dislike something simply because they can't have one themselves seems a bit farfetched.

But if all you're doing is explaining that people answered a poll without knowing enough to have an informed opinion on the subject matter, I agree that's common.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
I was reading up on the issues with the new construction affecting Shades of Green’s walkway over to Poly/TTC, and had a thought. The DOD apparently owns the physical buildings for SOG, and has a 100 year lease for the land underneath. We’re seeing how these road projects affect their property in real time. Is DOD an “affected property owner” for the purposes of notice?
I think the rub may be that they don’t own the land. So just like the hundreds of vendors who operate stores at Disney Springs or the vendors who run stores in the parks are not included they wouldn’t be included since they are not landowners. There are also thousands of DVC owners who all pay taxes to RCID as part of their annual maintenance fees but they have no standing either due to the way the timeshare is setup.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
I agreed with 99% of your post except this one line, I think if they proposed it affectively people would still support it.

The first thing that came to mind reading that was land in the desert outside Vegas, if a company bought 27 square miles (or whatever WDW is) of land 30 miles away from the city and they proposed a special district to let them pay for the roads, water, drainage, electrical, etc instead of using our limited tax dollars (purely for the benefit of that company) I would absolutely support that special district.

RCiD was approved because it benefited Florida as much as Disney, I think there are still scenarios where that’s just as true today, it may be unpopular to give companies so much power but I think if it was properly explained people would still support it.
I agree. I’m not saying no special districts would have favorable approval. I imagine the one Universal is proposing is going to happen and we won’t hear a peep about it. I was saying something of the scope of RCID would be very unlikely to get favorable approval these days most places. The district did have 2 “cities“ under its control (Still does for now). Musk is attempting to setup something with a pretty large scope in TX with corporate owned cities that he controls, but there’s been a lot of blowback over that even in TX which is very pro-business state (like FL had been until recent years). That situation should be interesting to watch unfold.
 

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
I don't believe so because it's "affected landowners" and Disney owns the land. Same thing with Swan & Dolphin - Tishman owns the buildings, but Disney owns the land.
I believe the Department of Defense does now own the land as well. If you look at the Orange County Interactive Mapping I believe they’re listed as the owner. They don’t appear on the property tax rolls because the feds don’t pay property taxes. It’s a weird arrangement because Disney still owns the golf facilities which still exist under the lobby and hotel offices.

It all comes down to the definition of “affected”. The land development agreement only applies to Disney. The Department of Defense also already has its own agreements where Disney controls their development at the site with any changes to the exterior having to go through Disney for approval. Any hotel expansion would also go through Disney. So are they affected since nothing is changing for them?
 

peter11435

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I agree. I’m not saying no special districts would have favorable approval. I imagine the one Universal is proposing is going to happen and we won’t hear a peep about it. I was saying something of the scope of RCID would be very unlikely to get favorable approval these days most places. The district did have 2 “cities“ under its control (Still does for now). Musk is attempting to setup something with a pretty large scope in TX with corporate owned cities that he controls, but there’s been a lot of blowback over that even in TX which is very pro-business state (like FL had been until recent years). That situation should be interesting to watch unfold.
The district did not control the cities.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
So, when a poll question asks a respondent about Disney's "autonomy in Florida" and "special tax status", it should surprise no one that Disney does poorly.
Exactly this. It is not surprising to see the results of that poll the way it was worded. I imagine a bunch of people here could come up with many different ways to word the same question that get the opposite result. As I posted earlier a Reuters poll done a year ago showed 62% of the people opposed this action including the majority of Republicans polled. That poll had biased wording the other way, but I think those posts were deleted so if anyone wants to see it you have to Google it.
 

Tha Realest

Well-Known Member
I think the rub may be that they don’t own the land. So just like the hundreds of vendors who operate stores at Disney Springs or the vendors who run stores in the parks are not included they wouldn’t be included since they are not landowners. There are also thousands of DVC owners who all pay taxes to RCID as part of their annual maintenance fees but they have no standing either due to the way the timeshare is setup.
I don’t necessarily disagree with you. But the act says “affected property owners,” not “affected land owners.” I do think an argument could be made property is meant to encompass landowners, not owners above the land, but it’s not entirely clear.
 

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