News Reedy Creek Improvement District and the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District

[No Name]

It is difficult but not impossible to discuss current political topics without being political.
You just have to stick to the facts and try to resist name calling or stereotyping about those the topics are about.

It is absolutely impossible to discuss political topics without being political. Being political is not being inflammatory.

 

[Kamikaze]

Was it renewed after the initial period?

I don't think it has to be. It just sets up that it can't be taken away for a minimum of 30 years. I'd have to see the rest of the document to see what else it says.

There's also the little fact that they ended RCID and changed to CFTOD so that document doesn't matter.

 

[lazyboy97o]

What's the rebuttal to this slide he's showing that says RCID had a 30 year expiration?

(Asking sincerely.)

It’s a lie. It’s not in the original charter. It’s also not in the 2004 legislative report. Or the Supreme Court decision.

 

[Surferboy567]

Would love for them to talk about the “selection process” for this new board.

 

[flynnibus]

so clearly the lawyers are telling them they have a case to negate the agreements.

So this will obviously going to be the first battle

Best question at the end should be… ‘would you personally argue this case in court for us?’

 

[Disney Analyst]

That person did claim without a doubt that Disney did not send letters out.

Thoughts?

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Oooooh this email is damning.

 

[CentralFLlife]

And that's what I've been getting at when I've described this as "bad policy, but good politics."

Primary voters see "Ron is going after Disney, and we don't like Disney." Disney fanatics see "what the heck is going on, this is insane." Regular people don't even notice any of it.

Even if regular people care, they probably aren’t going to watch a district board meeting that’s held at 10am on a work day.

Probably wouldn’t watch a board meeting held at any time. Watching the meeting doesn’t equal caring.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Yep, my in-laws as well after they built their new home was assessed WAY high and got a nice chuck off. Disney is just doing what is available to them, the only difference is they have the money and lawyers on staff to do it year after year.

In many cases you have to do it year after year. If your 2022 assessment was high and the matter isn’t settled when the 2023 assessment is made then you have to now challenge the 2023 assessment because it’s based on the one which with you disagree.

 

[Mr. Stay Puft]

 

[MisterPenguin]

Rick Singh Orange County tax appraiser according to courts inflated Disney property values and got crushed . Disney won.

Universal sued, too, and Universal won.

There is nothing unusual for a big company to dispute their tax appraisal. Anyone can dispute their tax appraisal.

 

[zakattack99]

he likes the words "unreasonable", and "irregular". But I don't think he has said illegal.

 

[Riviera Rita]

It's been quite fun to go look back at photos of pre Disney Orlando. Yes, it was always destined for mass tourism even if Disney hadn't chosen it for their newest theme park.

 

[Kamikaze]

Oooooh this email is damning.

No, it isn't.

It said 'I am comfortable with my name on it' but the 'optics' would be better if it was someone else.

IOW, Disney was fine with everyone knowing McGowan wrote it if it came to that.

You have to remember that these lawyers are going to keep their money train going right now. These are small firms that probably have few long term clients like CFTOD would be.

 

[afterabme]

I wonder what would happen to the counties budgets should they have to cover everything RC covers. I still don't see how they're getting out of paying taxes

There are multiple situations but let's assume for a second that somehow all bonds are paid off. If Orange and Osceola Counties had to cover everything that Reedy Creek does, it wouldn't be the end of the world. Rather, they would have a similar situation to Universal. SeaWorld, and I-Drive. This means more special districts being created to help fund roads (like the CRA Universal is in) and permitting going through the county rather than the CFTOD/RCID. Fire and EMS are transferred to the respective counties.

 

[Mr. Stay Puft]

This is very concerning. Downright frightening.

Sounds to me the new board is going to try to force Disney into selling off assets under eminent domain to the state!

 

[MisterPenguin]

I hope everyone watching this is getting a real sense of how mundane the business of this District is and that all of the sky-is-falling stuff was just hysteria.

Would you like to retract this statement at this point of the proceedings?

 

[Disstevefan1]

You know who is the real winner here….. Universal

 

[lazyboy97o]

Oooooh this email is damning.

Details? Can’t watch right now.

 

[Figgy1]

There are multiple situations but let's assume for a second that somehow all bonds are paid off. If Orange and Osceola Counties had to cover everything that Reedy Creek does, it wouldn't be the end of the world. Rather, they would have a similar situation to Universal. SeaWorld, and I-Drive. This means more special districts being created to help fund roads (like the CRA Universal is in) and permitting going through the county rather than the CFTOD/RCID. Fire and EMS are transferred to the respective counties.

Let's say once the bonds are paid off the counties take over. What will happen to local property taxes. Maintenance will go up for the counties and in the case of UNI the new roads are costing the county money