News Reedy Creek Improvement District and the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District

[LAKid53]

Were the Reedy Creek waste smells by the garbage plant that linger in the air present too similar to Hershey Park in PA with realistic chocolate smells ?

No foul smell at all. However, the garbage bins backstage by the UK Pavilion in World Showcase are very odiferous.

 

[thomas998]

Except it absolutely is for public use. Disney is not the only entity that benefits from that infrastructure.

It would be interesting to see a map which detailed which roads in the resort area were owned by Disney and which were owned and maintained by Reedy Creek. My understanding is that a lot of the roads that people assume are owned by Disney aren't actually owned or maintained by Disney.

 

[GBAB1973]

No, I'm not suggesting that at all.

I'm saying, as far as I know, Disney does not pay property taxes on property they don't own so roads owned and maintained by RCID, I do not believe Disney is paying property taxes for. Those giant parking garages next to Disney Springs? As far as I know, Disney isn't paying property taxes for them, either.

Westshore Mall in Tampa has a parking garage. I'm pretty sure they pay property taxes for it... because they own it.

I'm pretty sure Disney hadn't had RCIP, they'd own their Disney Springs parking garages and the land they sit on, too.

Disney still ends up paying property taxes on those properties because the entities that own them essentially tax Disney for them. The RCID basically taxes Disney to cover their costs and in those costs are the property taxes that the RCID owes to the counties.

 

[LAKid53]

Some roads in some neighborhoods are public but not all.

The roads in my gated community are not public. A portion of my association fee goes to maintain them and for insurance.

Gated communities by their very nature have private roads. WDW isn't a gated community.

 

[Stripes]

Disney has launched a website that essentially highlights the contributions the company makes to Central Florida and Florida as a whole. There’s also a section that talks about the Reedy Creek situation.

Disney in Florida

At Walt Disney World Resort we are honored to be part of the Central Florida community. Explore how we create a brighter future for our region.

disneyconnect.com

Reedy Creek situation:

Reedy Creek: The Facts You Need in 2024 - Disney in Florida

What is Reedy Creek – Central Florida Tourism Oversight District The Central Florida Tourism Oversight District (formerly known as Reedy Creek Improvement District or RCID) is a special taxing district that was established by the Florida State Legislature in 1967 to provide and manage municipal...

disneyconnect.com

 

[Disstevefan1]

I am very curious to see a map of what is owned in whole by WDW and what is RCID, does such a map exist online? I want to know where this new non-disney theme park or prison could be built.....

Why do folks think RCID was separate from TWDC? They were ALL working for TWDC, they just had slightly different badges.

RCID = TWDC.

Everything RCID did was in the interest of TWDC.

Having said that, should have LEFT IT ALONE just like his predecessors did for over 50 years.

Ok I am ready to get flamed now.

 

[MrPromey]

Disney still ends up paying property taxes on those properties because the entities that own them essentially tax Disney for them. The RCID basically taxes Disney to cover their costs and in those costs are the property taxes that the RCID owes to the counties.

So you're saying... the City of Orlando pays property taxes to Orange County for all public land owned by the City of Orlando?

Or are you saying there is some exclusive arrangement with RCID where they payed property taxes to counties for land they owned?

I just want to make sure I understand you, here.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

The inevitable purge has begun, thanks for all the hard work moderators. (Hoping I didn’t add too much to the delete a thon )

 

[peter11435]

It would be interesting to see a map which detailed which roads in the resort area were owned by Disney and which were owned and maintained by Reedy Creek. My understanding is that a lot of the roads that people assume are owned by Disney aren't actually owned or maintained by Disney.

It’s not hard to see such a map.

Most roads that aren’t behind an auto plaza or security gate are owned and maintained by the district.

 

[jimbojones]

Why do folks think RCID was separate from TWDC? They were ALL working for TWDC, they just had slightly different badges.

RCID = TWDC.

Everything RCID did was in the interest of TWDC.

Having said that, RonnyBaby should have LEFT IT ALONE just like his predecessors did for over 50 years.

Ok I am ready to get flamed now.

now that RCID != TWDC, it is relevant to understand the difference in terms of realestate regardless of whatever the previous situation was

 

[LAKid53]

LAKid53​

Did you just black out while reading what I wrote or did you cut off the first half of that sentence along with the context on purpose?

Disney would have been paying property tax on the land those roads sit on as well as paying directly to maintain those roads, right along with the parking garages and they would not have been able to issue government bonds

 

[LAKid53]

It’s not hard to see such a map.

Most roads that aren’t behind an auto plaza or security gate are owned and maintained by the district.

My understanding that the only private roads on property are those that lead directly into a park.

 

[LittleBuford]

I'm questioning the morality of such a body being wholly controlled by a for-profit enterprise.

I would be more concerned about the morality of government retribution. If there were issues with RCID, they should have been identified and dealt with independently of a totally unrelated ideological assault.

 

[GBAB1973]

So you're saying... the City of Orlando pays property taxes to Orange County for all public land owned by the City of Orlando?

Or are you saying there is some exclusive arrangement with RCID where they payed property taxes to counties for land they owned?

I just want to make sure I understand you, here.

It's not an apples to apples comparison. RCID is a special district that gives it some rights that municipalities have but is not the same as government municipality. But if the special district owns property, they are responsible for the property taxes. Someone did this earlier, maybe on another board, but they pulled up the Disney Springs parking garage land and there was a property tax record for it. The RCID gets their funding directly from Disney via the assessments they produce on Disney. In those assessments would be any property taxes that the RCID owes.

It should also be pointed out that yes, there are government municipalities that pay property taxes on land the town owns. For example, in Napa Valley in California, some of the protected lands owned by the localities have property tax bills paid by the town (or government entity set up to control that land).

 

[peter11435]

My understanding that the only private roads on property are those that lead directly into a park.

Roads inside resorts and a few other specific roadways are private

 

[LAKid53]

No, I'm not suggesting that at all.

I'm saying, as far as I know, Disney does not pay property taxes on property they don't own so roads owned and maintained by RCID, I do not believe Disney is paying property taxes for. Those giant parking garages next to Disney Springs? As far as I know, Disney isn't paying property taxes for them, either.

Westshore Mall in Tampa has a parking garage. I'm pretty sure they pay property taxes for it... because they own it.

I'm pretty sure Disney hadn't had RCIP, they'd own their Disney Springs parking garages and the land they sit on, too.

It shouldn't be too difficult to go to the Orange County Tax Collector's office website and see what parcels TWDC is being taxed on. It's public record.

 

[MrPromey]

LAKid53​

Because you keep quoting without actually posting anything, I can't respond directly to you so...

Do you not see what I said? DISNEY would not have been able to issue government bonds.

We agree on this, right?

Disney can't issue government bonds but RCID could?

Right?

So if Disney owns the land and wants to build the garages, they can't issue bonds.

But if Disney owns the land and transfers ownership to RCID, RCID can issue bonds, right?

How did RCID get the land that it owns?

You seem too smart for me to have to spell out what I'm saying, in such simple terms.

Again, I'm not against any of this. I disagree with Captain's take but I'm not pretending I don't understand what he's saying, either.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

I would be more concerned about the morality of government retribution. If there were issues with RCID, they should have been identified and dealt with independently of a totally unrelated ideological assault.

One can be concerned with both.

 

[peter11435]

It shouldn't be too difficult to go to the Orange County Tax Collector's office website and see what parcels TWDC is being taxed on. It's public record.

You don’t even have to leave your living room. Just change the address on your browser.

 

[LAKid53]

So you're saying... the City of Orlando pays property taxes to Orange County for all public land owned by the City of Orlando?

Or are you saying there is some exclusive arrangement with RCID where they payed property taxes to counties for land they owned?

I just want to make sure I understand you, here.

Government owned land in Florida isn't subjected to property tax. So no.