lazyboy97o
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And they still can! The District cannot but private electric companies like Reedy Creek Energy Services still can.And Disney didn't threaten to build a nuclear plant.
And they still can! The District cannot but private electric companies like Reedy Creek Energy Services still can.And Disney didn't threaten to build a nuclear plant.
You already know....
They haven't paid any taxes ever. They are the only special district in the entire universe. They have never inspected anything ever. They get to write all of their own laws. They can do anything they want whenever they want and its JUsT NOt FaIR
Just like the street I live on. It was obviously constructed to benefit the developer who built the houses and continues to benefit the home owners in the neighborhood but ultimately is a public road open to anyone and maintained using municipal funds that come from tax dollars.That's not true. Several times when staying of site it was easier to use RCID roads to get elsewhere in the area to avoid traffic. The roads are open to the public not just those visiting Disney
For a corporation time is very valuable. Having worked in a corporation that had to deal with multiple government entities for permits on pipelines we built, I can assure you that having a special entity that fast tracks every permit you need is very valuable. I've watch large construction teams sit around for weeks at a time simply because an inspector didn't show up to sign on what had been done.
And if you don't think time is money you don't understand how corporation determine the return on their investments. Disney has gained millions by having expedited services. If Disney didn't put a significant value on the way things were they wouldn't have put up such a fight to stop the state from taking it over.
Actually…A simple google search shows you are wrong.
Who is the largest taxpayer in Florida?
Disney is the largest taxpayer in central Florida, paying $280 million in taxes from 2015 to 2020.
You are clueless. How many corporations and individual have to get a permit in any of the neighboring areas? thousands. Now compare that to the number in Reedy Creek, it is a drop in the bucket. So if you don't think being able to bypass the normal line that makes the DMV look fast, and instead just having your own private permitting group doesn't save time you are clueless. The special pass isn't not getting a permit it is getting one from a agency that exist for your own use only. Universal doesn't have its own permitting agency at their beck and call, only Disney has had that advantage.You’ve just used another bad example. There is no special pass on normal permits, whatever those are. It’s the same type of process and is often considered the most onerous of the local area.
And again, the district was enforcing a building code before local governments were required to do so.
Because the infrastructure that's being developed is for the operation of their business, it's not for public use. World Drive isn't fundamentally any different than the walking paths in Adventureland.
Who said any of that? The original tweet was about the development agreement being based on something DeSantis’ government decided complied with state law. In order to void the agreement they need some compelling reason regarding public welfare that has suddenly come up in the past year.But they’re different types of documents, each requiring different mechanisms for public hearings and required notices.
Are you suggesting the January/Feb ‘23 development agreement wasn’t required to comply with public notice requirements (newspaper notices, mailings to land owners) because it “locks in” an earlier plan?
Reread your original post I commented on and then say this again with a straight face.Yet again, I never said Disney paid less in taxes they simply get special red carpet treatment from their own corporate run government oversight board. I used taxes as an example that the poster might understand as most people are familiar with paying taxes but few have to ever deal with a local government when seeking permits and such.
I've also experienced this... with RCID inspectors.For a corporation time is very valuable. Having worked in a corporation that had to deal with multiple government entities for permits on pipelines we built, I can assure you that having a special entity that fast tracks every permit you need is very valuable. I've watch large construction teams sit around for weeks at a time simply because an inspector didn't show up to sign on what had been done.
The City of Orlando works very closely with Universal and now Orange County is doing the same. If you’re willing to pay your design staff for it, they too are allowed to schedule pre-application meetings to review designs and help ensure approval. You can also pay extra for priority review and off-hour inspections.You are clueless. How many corporations and individual have to get a permit in any of the neighboring areas? thousands. Now compare that to the number in Reedy Creek, it is a drop in the bucket. So if you don't think being able to bypass the normal line that makes the DMV look fast, and instead just having your own private permitting group doesn't save time you are clueless. The special pass isn't not getting a permit it is getting one from an agency that exist for your own use only. Universal doesn't have its own permitting agency at their beck and call, only Disney has had that advantage.
But other corporations aren’t paying almost 100% through taxes for what the local tax authority is doing. So Universal may have to wait for Orange County or Orlando to approve stuff, but the county is also paying for half of their new road to Epic Universe. Hundreds of millions saved not having a RCID of their own.I didn't say Disney paid any more or less in taxes, the analogy was asking if you would like it if your neighbor got a special break on taxes for life... in this instance what Disney got may not have amount to anything in lower taxes but it did provide them at the very least with a special pass on normal permits and other things that would take any other competitor much longer because they weren't going to be dealing with a oversight board that was really run by themselves.
At least one more I guessI've also experienced this... with RCID inspectors.
RCID did not fast track & rubber stamp building permits/inspetions. That couldn't be farther from the truth. I don't know how many times that needs to be said.
You’ve clearly never had to get a permit from Reedy Creek…You are clueless. How many corporations and individual have to get a permit in any of the neighboring areas? thousands. Now compare that to the number in Reedy Creek, it is a drop in the bucket. So if you don't think being able to bypass the normal line that makes the DMV look fast, and instead just having your own private permitting group doesn't save time you are clueless. The special pass isn't not getting a permit it is getting one from an agency that exist for your own use only. Universal doesn't have its own permitting agency at their beck and call, only Disney has had that advantage.
Except many of those roads are public, not private. So, as a taxpayer in Orange County, I appreciate TWDC paying an assessment to RCID to maintain roads my taxes would normally pay for.
Then Disney shouldn't have full control over it. I just think you have to pick one.Except it absolutely is for public use. Disney is not the only entity that benefits from that infrastructure.
I am very curious to see a map of what is owned in whole by WDW and what is RCID, does such a map exist online? I want to know where this new non-disney theme park or prison could be built.....That’s not answering the question. You have repeatedly claimed there is some land being held by the District that others cannot use. What is this land? Tell us. Show us on a map.
In your words, what did RCID do that Disney likes and is fighting to keep?I've also experienced this... with RCID inspectors.
RCID did not fast track & rubber stamp building permits/inspetions. That couldn't be farther from the truth. I don't know how many times that needs to be said.
At least one more I guess![]()
Except if not for RCID, most of those roads would likely have never been public roads. Disney would likely have continued to own the property which means Disney would have been paying property tax on the land they drive across as well as paying directly to maintain those roads, right along with the parking garages and they would not have been able to issue government bonds to help cover the construction costs, of any of that.
I think that is what captain is talking about.
Personally, I have no issue with it, moral or otherwise but that's my personal take and I could explain why I'm okay with it but nobody cares, right?
Obviously, he and I have different personal takes on it but I can understand why someone would feel differently about this than I do.
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