News Reedy Creek Improvement District and the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District

[Tha Realest]

Who said any of that? The original tweet was about the development agreement being based on something DeSantis’ government decided complied with state law. In order to void the agreement they need some compelling reason regarding public welfare that has suddenly come up in the past year.

If the development agreement was passed in a way that did not comply with the public notice / hearings laws they won’t need any reason to void it. It’s could be viewed as void as a matter of law.

 

[GoofGoof]

If the development agreement was passed in a way that did not comply with the public notice / hearings laws they won’t need any reason to void it. It’s could be viewed as void as a matter of law.

But it wasn’t. Some clown saying that in a speech doesn’t make it true. I know it does for some people but it just ain’t the way it works.

 

[tissandtully]

They dont want to be held hostage by political nutjobs. You really don't think it's an issue that the board members are political appointees who are going to try and keep Disney in check from pushing a "woke" agenda?

Notice how the new district still is controlling permitting/inspections?

You seem to be an expert in the RCID/WDW relationship. Have you every actually worked with RCID?

Not to mention they discussed controlling content of TWDC productions.

 

[Tha Realest]

But it wasn’t. Some clown saying that in a speech doesn’t make it true. I know it does for some people but it just ain’t the way it works.

I watched the press conference, and don’t recall he brought this up. The news reports this morning suggested there was noncompliance with that provision of the public hearings laws.

Simple question - do we know one way or another if the RCID mailed the development agreement X number of days before the first public hearing in January? If yes, then there’s no issue. If not…

 

[Lilofan]

That's not true. Several times when staying of site it was easier to use RCID roads to get elsewhere in the area to avoid traffic. The roads are open to the public not just those visiting Disney

I went on a cut through 2 lane road called Bear Island? road from MK car care repair center and ended up on Western Way by DAK. Interesting winding back road , cool to see the Reedy Creek waste plant lined up with garbage trucks .

 

[LAKid53]

Except if not for RCID, most of those roads would likely have never been public roads. Disney would likely have continued to own the property which means Disney would have been paying property tax on the land those roads sit on as well as paying directly to maintain those roads, right along with the parking garages and they would not have been able to issue government bonds to help cover the construction costs, of any of that.

I think that is what captain is talking about.

Personally, I have no issue with it, moral or otherwise but that's my personal take and I could explain why I'm okay with it but nobody cares, right?

Obviously, he and I have different personal takes on it but I can understand why someone would feel differently about this than I do.

I'm going to disagree. That's akin to saying roads in neighborhoods aren't public. They are. My property tax paid to the Florida county I live in is used for the county to maintain the road in front of my house. And the street sign is green.

 

[LAKid53]

I went on a cut through 2 lane road called Bear Island? road from MK car care repair center and ended up on Western Way by DAK. Interesting winding back road , cool to see the Reedy Creek waste plant lined up with garbage trucks .

Bear Island Road is correct. When the Star Wars Half Marathon was still running, the entrance to the waste plant was "decorated" to mimic the trash compactor in A New Hope.

 

[LAKid53]

Did I say otherwise?

Why do I need Google for something I already understand?

Was I not clear in what I said?

they would not have been able to issue government bonds

 

[MrPromey]

I'm going to disagree. That's akin to saying roads in neighborhoods aren't public. They are. My property tax paid to the Florida county I live in is used for the county to maintain the road in front of my house. And the street sign is green.

Some roads in some neighborhoods are public but not all.

The roads in my gated community are not public. A portion of my association fee goes to maintain them and for insurance.

 

[Brian]

I went on a cut through 2 lane road called Bear Island? road from MK car care repair center and ended up on Western Way by DAK. Interesting winding back road , cool to see the Reedy Creek waste plant lined up with garbage trucks .

For anyone taking this road, make sure you have your air set to recirculate. You'll thank me later.

 

[Lilofan]

Bear Island Road is correct. When the Star Wars Half Marathon was still running, the entrance to the waste plant was "decorated" to mimic the trash compactor in A New Hope.

Were the Reedy Creek waste smells by the garbage plant that linger in the air present too similar to Hershey Park in PA with realistic chocolate smells ?

 

[GBAB1973]

Except if not for RCID, most of those roads would likely have never been public roads. Disney would likely have continued to own the property which means Disney would have been paying property tax on the land those roads sit on as well as paying directly to maintain those roads, right along with the parking garages and they would not have been able to issue government bonds to help cover the construction costs, of any of that.

I think that is what captain is talking about.

Personally, I have no issue with it, moral or otherwise but that's my personal take and I could explain why I'm okay with it but nobody cares, right?

Obviously, he and I have different personal takes on it but I can understand why someone would feel differently about this than I do.

Are you suggesting Disney doesn't pay property taxes to the two counties?

Because if you are, that would be completely inaccurate.

 

[Brian]

Were the Reedy Creek waste smells by the garbage plant that linger in the air present too similar to Hershey Park in PA with realistic chocolate smells ?

It's the sewage plant that seals the deal. I'd rather sit in traffic depending on which direction the wind is blowing.

PS: Same can be said about Hershey, PA depending on the day of the week and the production schedule at the Reese's factory. Not sorry.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I am very curious to see a map of what is owned in whole by WDW and what is RCID, does such a map exist online? I want to know where this new non-disney theme park or prison could be built.....

They’re in the Comprehensive Plan. You can also use Orange County’s Interactive Maps.

Interactive Mapping

 

[jimbojones]

I thought others would also find this a helpful map as I did.

https://www.disneyfanatic.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Screen-Shot-2022-03-31-at-9.17.54-AM.png

RCID controls a good chunk of land and it does seem to be enough to damage the "bubble " if that was the goal.

Seems to be a case of cutting off one's nose to spite their face though if it were to happen. Honestly I cannot believe what is going on with this whole fight, it is really juvenile . I know many towns and cities have "spite houses" and "spite fences" built be feuding neighbors, but I never imagined a governor trying to make a "spite prison" or similar due to a personal gripe with a business

 

[MrPromey]

Are you suggesting Disney doesn't pay property taxes to the two counties?

Because if you are, that would be completely inaccurate.

No, I'm not suggesting that at all.

I'm saying, as far as I know, Disney does not pay property taxes on property they don't own so roads owned and maintained by RCID, I do not believe Disney is paying property taxes for. Those giant parking garages next to Disney Springs? As far as I know, Disney isn't paying property taxes for them, either.

Westshore Mall in Tampa has a parking garage. I'm pretty sure they pay property taxes for it... because they own it.

I'm pretty sure Disney hadn't had RCIP, they'd own their Disney Springs parking garages and the land they sit on, too.

 

[LAKid53]

Control. That was the benefit that Disney enjoyed. They liked having control over the operations within the district. They didn't have to deal with the localities to get a road built. They don't have to go to the counties to have a rollercoast built. They don't have to go through county hearings if they want to redo their sewer system, etc. The reality is that Disney/RCID ran that district better and more efficient than the two counties the property reside in could run it. Their building codes and zoning were often stricter than the local codes.

That's why Disney did what they did. They don't want to give up the control. They also don't want a board of political appointees who are buddies with DeSantis mucking up operations in order to gain control over Disney, the corporation. The board already signaled that they hoped their positions would allow them to leverage Disney in terms of Disney content, etc.

This is nothing but DeSantis playing the culture war gain in order to raise his national profile. He could have ignored Disney and Cherpak's statement a year ago and the bills still would have passed easily. But he saw an opportunity to try to elevate his national brand as a "woke warrior".

Just drive around some of the roads in Orlando....

The roads on property are well maintained, free of potholes, cleared of debris....

 

[TalkingHead]

He’s picked a losing strategy and the polls prove it, he can’t out-Trump Trump, his only hope was appealing to more moderate and traditional Reps and he botched it.

I’m convinced Trump will campaign more as a moderate and paint DeSantis as a lunatic. Insert Onion guy meme here.

 

[lazyboy97o]

If the development agreement was passed in a way that did not comply with the public notice / hearings laws they won’t need any reason to void it. It’s could be viewed as void as a matter of law.

Right, it’d be void as a matter of law. There wouldn’t be a need for a new law to make them void.

 

[MrPromey]

LAKid53​

Did you just black out while reading what I wrote or did you cut off the first half of that sentence along with the context on purpose?