News Reedy Creek Improvement District and the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District

[flynnibus]

Section 7-30:



Normally you'd submit to the planning board, and appeal to the BoS if you think the decision needs to be reviewed.

I think I misinterpreted the passage on the one reading/hearing (since I'm trying to read 7 point font) - I think it just means that the Board can act simultaneously as the planning authority and the governing board when giving public notice.

ah... I was missing a page... didn't show up right when my browser was zoomed in to read these images.. so missed a whole page.

 

[Disstevefan1]

Finding out Ron DeSantis had a Disney wedding.

Is this true???

 

[mmascari]

Yeah, IANAL so I really can't comment on what this means but it's the internet so I'm going to do it anyway.

Tis the Internet, what else would be expected.

My guess this is the wheels turning on Plan A - strip all the power out of the bureaucracy of Reedy Creek and circumvent the cities. Put it in the board so they can actively stymie development.

That solves any problems about needing to pressure someone to act a certain way. If the board is directly responsible, no pressure needed.

Plan B would be the board voting to tear up the old agreement, change the planning rules anyway, and sit back and wait for Disney to sue. Which is what they want.

The current "game" does seem to be "who can make the other party sue them first". Both sides appear to want to be the defendant in a lawsuit instead of the plaintiff.

Will the new board sue that the Disney agreement isn't lawful?
Will Disney sue that the new district is violating the contract?
Will Disney follow the contract and ignore the new board actions that contradict it, forcing the board to sue?
At some point, they'll both be ignoring each other and one of them will need to sue the other over a violation. Any odds on who blinks first?

 

[lazyboy97o]

Tis the Internet, what else would be expected.


That solves any problems about needing to pressure someone to act a certain way. If the board is directly responsible, no pressure needed.


The current "game" does seem to be "who can make the other party sue them first". Both sides appear to want to be the defendant in a lawsuit instead of the plaintiff.

Will the new board sue that the Disney agreement isn't lawful?
Will Disney sue that the new district is violating the contract?
Will Disney follow the contract and ignore the new board actions that contradict it, forcing the board to sue?
At some point, they'll both be ignoring each other and one of them will need to sue the other over a violation. Any odds on who blinks first?

Disney still has to get the District’s permission to build.

 

[mmascari]

Disney still has to get the District’s permission to build.

That's probably where something will get interesting.

Something where Disney files a really boring building permit. Something small enough that it's virtually impossible to be denied or have issues found with it. Then, the board denies it anyway as an act of control and just for "reasons".

At that point, Disney could file updates and revisions to satisfy whatever reasons and get it approved. Which, if the real reason is the board doesn't like some "woke" content will never be satisfied. Disney could sue, that the permit was denied when it shouldn't have been. Disney could just ignore it and build anyway, force the board to sue them to stop (or send in the sheriff to halt construction).

That last one is much harder than it sounds. With all kinds or liability and insurance repercussions.

If this was just two kids on the beach building sand castles and fighting about who was allowed to use the same 10 square feet of beach, it would be the last one. However, since it's actual real life, just ignoring that type of thing would be much harder with lots of poor side effects.

 

[castlecake2.0]

Disney still has to get the District’s permission to build.

Does Universal or Seaworld need permission from an unelected board to get things done? I’m not sure how their one use works.

 

[lazyboy97o]

That's probably where something will get interesting.

Something where Disney files a really boring building permit. Something small enough that it's virtually impossible to be denied or have issues found with it. Then, the board denies it anyway as an act of control and just for "reasons".

At that point, Disney could file updates and revisions to satisfy whatever reasons and get it approved. Which, if the real reason is the board doesn't like some "woke" content will never be satisfied. Disney could sue, that the permit was denied when it shouldn't have been. Disney could just ignore it and build anyway, force the board to sue them to stop (or send in the sheriff to halt construction).

That last one is much harder than it sounds. With all kinds or liability and insurance repercussions.

If this was just two kids on the beach building sand castles and fighting about who was allowed to use the same 10 square feet of beach, it would be the last one. However, since it's actual real life, just ignoring that type of thing would be much harder with lots of poor side effects.

Building and zoning are two separate things. If the District takes the position that they are not bound by the agreement and now require development review then the building department can just reject the project for not having the required prerequisite approval. First though the processes need to be changed, if that is the plan.

 

[drnilescrane]

Building and zoning are two separate things. If the District takes the position that they are not bound by the agreement and now require development review then the building department can just reject the project for not having the required prerequisite approval. First though the processes need to be changed, if that is the plan.

It's also going be fun getting the district workforce on board with the new plan. It already sounds like staff aren't trying to do the new board any favors.

I wonder what the process is to get Classe out.

 

[Stripes]

Do you have a link?
I can't read that.

Here’s the original PDF that will download to your device. Sorry about that!

 

[Stripes]

BTW, in regards to proposed Resolution 638, here’s what they said: “Per Special District Counsel, Resolution 638 will be available later this week.”

 

[Tha Realest]

It's also going be fun getting the district workforce on board with the new plan. It already sounds like staff aren't trying to do the new board any favors.

I wonder what the process is to get Classe out.

So this is a Classe move

 

[danlb_2000]

Is this true???

Yes.

 

[LAKid53]

Does Universal or Seaworld need permission from an unelected board to get things done? I’m not sure how their one use works.

No.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Does Universal or Seaworld need permission from an unelected board to get things done? I’m not sure how their one use works.

The building officials are not elected but the building codes are created by the state. Local amendments are created by local elected governments.

The Orange County Board of Zoning adjustment is appointed by elected officials, but not really involved in the parks because they’re planned developments that don’t generally need to seek zoning approval. The Orlando Municipal Planning Board is an advisory board but again, Universal Orlando Resort isn’t really dealing with them.

 

[GoofGoof]

well interesting! "Facilities with Pools – The District is responsible for Department of Health swimming pool inspections and Operating Certificate renewals. The following information outlines pertinent information for owners about the Pool Inspection Program"

So the district was performing the role of the county health dept inspectors. Probably an area not covered by Disney's lock up deal so they are probably trying to strip those possibilities back?

And they were doing inspections 4 times a year instead of the state required 2. If RCID was performing the pool inspections wouldn’t the district continue that function under the new board? Why move it to the County Department of Health which is where it would go if the state takes control? If the supposed issue is Disney “self Governing“ and that’s been now solved with the new board then why the need to move who does the inspections? Seem like the Governor would have more control if he keeps the pool inspections with the district he now controls.

 

[Tony the Tigger]

Coming soon: Disney’s animated “The Emperor Has No Clothes” starring Seth Rogen as Don SeRanwrap.

 

[GoofGoof]

This appears to be clearing the decks for if/when they render the development agreement a failure.

Yep, seems that way. There was some discussion here about whether Disney could move some powers to the cities to avoid the Governor’s reach so if the state believes that’s a possible threat if the development deal was actually invalidated this is preemptively addressing that potential plan.

 

[lazyboy97o]

And they were doing inspections 4 times a year instead of the state required 2. If RCID was performing the pool inspections wouldn’t the district continue that function under the new board? Why move it to the County Department of Health which is where it would go if the state takes control? If the supposed issue is Disney “self Governing“ and that’s been now solved with the new board then why the need to move who does the inspections? Seem like the Governor would have more control if he keeps the pool inspections with the district he now controls.

The counties don’t have independent health departments.

 

[castlecake2.0]

Yep, seems that way. There was some discussion here about whether Disney could move some powers to the cities to avoid the Governor’s reach so if the state believes that’s a possible threat if the development deal was actually invalidated this is preemptively addressing that potential plan.

Can the cities object?

 

[GoofGoof]

The counties don’t have independent health departments.

Sorry, its the county office of the FLDOH. “Permitting and inspections are done by the Environmental Health Section of the Florida Department of Health in each county”. I would still think the Governor has much more control over his hand picked board with political appointees than some career government workers.