News Reedy Creek Improvement District and the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District

[Lilofan]

But they do have to find something actually wrong. The Governor can’t just decide to shut down a pool on a whim.

After some heavy drinking late night with 20 other fellow guests that became new friends back in the day at the Coronado main pool hot tub by the Ranchos buildings when pools were open 24/7, the huge hot tub was shut down for cleaning the following morning.

 

[lazyboy97o]

According to the CNN article is more like 600. Every kiddy splash pad and hot tub is a separate pool, and don't forget about the water parks. And it's the entirety of CFTOD f/k/a/ RCID so you have to count Golden Oak and the Four Seasons (public areas are in the district, just the neighborhoods aren't), Hotel Plaza Blvd, etc.

Searching the Department of Health website for “Disney” pool reports returns 560 results.

Swimming Pools | Florida Department of Health

County Inspection Data

www.floridahealth.gov

 

[Tha Realest]

According to the CNN article is more like 600. Every kiddy splash pad and hot tub is a separate pool, and don't forget about the water parks. And it's the entirety of CFTOD f/k/a/ RCID so you have to count Golden Oak and the Four Seasons (public areas are in the district, just the neighborhoods aren't), Hotel Plaza Blvd, etc.

I thought Golden Oak was excised from RCID because of the voting issue?

 

[Tha Realest]

After some heavy drinking late night with 20 other fellow guests that became new friends back in the day at the Coronado main pool hot tub by the Ranchos buildings when pools were open 24/7, the huge hot tub was shut down for cleaning the following morning.

I want to know more but I kind of don’t?

 

[drnilescrane]

I think you are probably correct. I also suspect that Disney has a higher standard than the minimum required by the department of health so won’t be an issue either way.

Well sure, but we've gotten to the point that Christina Pushaw is trawling this thread for novel and stupid ways to use the state to stick it to Disney.

I still think Disney is handling this the correct, Mucha way. The way it should have happened the first time around. Let the court of public opinion swing your way.

At this point no guest is going to start demanding Disney apologize to Desantis just to get the pools open again.

 

[drnilescrane]

I thought Golden Oak was excised from RCID because of the voting issue?

RCID2020.pdf

Note the shape of the boundary in Range 18. It swings around to keep the Golf Course, Clubhouse and Four Seasons in the district while carving out the residents.

WALT DISNEY PARKS AND RESORTS U S INC is not the exclusive landholder in the district either - Four Seasons is owned separately, as are a lot of the plots in Flamingo Crossings. Page 13 has a roll of landholders.

And they *definetely* aren't the only taxpayer. That includes every lessee and operating participant.

 

[Tha Realest]

Well sure, but we've gotten to the point that Christina Pushaw is trawling this thread for novel and stupid ways to use the state to stick it to Disney.

How so?

 

[drnilescrane]

How so?

That's hyperbole but it really feels that way. Every single stupid idea, like adding tolls or using health regulations to screw with operations, was mentioned about 200-400 pages ago.

It seemed stupid when you consider a baseline level of rationality or decorum in government, but I'm happy to admit I was wrong.

 

[LAKid53]

RCID2020.pdf

Note the shape of the boundary in Range 18. It swings around to keep the Golf Course, Clubhouse and Four Seasons in the district while carving out the residents.

WALT DISNEY PARKS AND RESORTS U S INC is not the exclusive landholder in the district either - Four Seasons is owned separately, as are a lot of the plots in Flamingo Crossings. Page 13 has a roll of landholders.

And they *definetely* aren't the only taxpayer. That includes every lessee and operating participant.

Where's the acreage owned by Orange County School district? Is there a school in Celebration, Lake Buena Vista or Bay Lake?

 

[mmascari]

Well sure, but we've gotten to the point that Christina Pushaw is trawling this thread for novel and stupid ways to use the state to stick it to Disney.

Yes, but the person taking the action has to be someone pressure can be exerted on.

The easiest is someone whose job is dependent on the board directly. Where either a like minded person can be hired, or other job pressures can be applied. Ideally, something the board can be directly involved in the action, so no pressure is needed at all.

A pool inspector that's far removed from any employment hierarchy and probably has nice job protections isn't really a pressure point. They could find a like minded one that wants to be on team "Not Disney". But, it would still need to be someone finding at least something that could be overblown and not just making it up. Since, if they make up something completely, they are likely to be sued.

 

[GoofGoof]

That's hyperbole but it really feels that way. Every single stupid idea, like adding tolls or using health regulations to screw with operations, was mentioned about 200-400 pages ago.

It seemed stupid when you consider a baseline level of rationality or decorum in government, but I'm happy to admit I was wrong.

In that case maybe Ron should consider retiring from politics and set up shop as a caricature artist in the concourse at the Contemporary. They had one there years ago….would be cool to have it back

 

[drnilescrane]

Yes, but the person taking the action has to be someone pressure can be exerted on.

The easiest is someone whose job is dependent on the board directly. Where either a like minded person can be hired, or other job pressures can be applied. Ideally, something the board can be directly involved in the action, so no pressure is needed at all.

A pool inspector that's far removed from any employment hierarchy and probably has nice job protections isn't really a pressure point. They could find a like minded one that wants to be on team "Not Disney". But, it would still need to be someone finding at least something that could be overblown and not just making it up. Since, if they make up something completely, they are likely to be sued.

Yeah, I know. The point is the EOG is scraping the bottom of the barrel with these ideas and leading with them.

 

[Tha Realest]

RCID2020.pdf

Note the shape of the boundary in Range 18. It swings around to keep the Golf Course, Clubhouse and Four Seasons in the district while carving out the residents.

WALT DISNEY PARKS AND RESORTS U S INC is not the exclusive landholder in the district either - Four Seasons is owned separately, as are a lot of the plots in Flamingo Crossings. Page 13 has a roll of landholders.

And they *definetely* aren't the only taxpayer. That includes every lessee and operating participant.

Ah, got it. Thank you. And I guess FC doesn’t cause an issue as it’s commercial/hotel.

 

[GoofGoof]

The inspectors are state employees assigned to the county health departments. $125 per pool isn't paying their salaries.

Searching the Department of Health website for “Disney” pool reports returns 560 results.

Swimming Pools | Florida Department of Health

County Inspection Data

www.floridahealth.gov

560 X 125 = $70,000 which might actually be about the cost of 1 guy (including benefits) and since it’s twice a year they’d have $140K budget so likely 2 guys splitting the work. They would need to cover 3 pools a day. It may actually be possible….I think it’s all academic debate anyway.

 

[drnilescrane]

Where's the acreage owned by Orange County School district? Is there a school in Celebration, Lake Buena Vista or Bay Lake?

Looks like it's Horizon High on Siedel Rd. Reedy Creek sold them that land on 06/28/2007 and carved it out of the district aside from a small sliver (probably for drainage).

 

[flynnibus]

The inspectors are state employees assigned to the county health departments. $125 per pool isn't paying their salaries.

No, but it's also not a burden unique or specific to RCID/Disney. The budgeting and fee structure for the health department is set and they are already dealing with the burden of that or not.

 

[Kamikaze]

Where's the acreage owned by Orange County School district? Is there a school in Celebration, Lake Buena Vista or Bay Lake?

There are no schools on District land.

 

[Tha Realest]

There are no schools on District land.

Correct. Goofy’s Sky School is in DCA

 

[lewisc]

. They would need to cover 3 pools a day.

Virtually every resort has 3 pools, counting hot tubs. I'm counting PO as one resort.
3 in a day should be doable, maybe more.

 

[Riviera Rita]

I would assume this was always true. Even if RCID was doing inspections, nobody involved would want an issue to show up first as part of that inspection no matter the relationship.


Is there any source beyond this one side blurb in the CNN article? It's attributed to "a source" and "DeSantis said" and without any references or direct quotes. Things that lose a lot of nuance and details.

Do we even know if RCID was doing pool inspections instead of some other entity and what the change might include? Unless the change is to an entity willing to push boundaries for alternative reasons, it's not likely they're going to start shutting down pools "just because". I would be surprised if Disney internal controls were not already stronger than any state level criteria.

On the flip side, if it reduces RCID expenses that will free up some cash for new lawyers without impacting other services.

You just hit on another thing when you mention Disney's internal controls being stronger than state level criteria as RCID building codes were already higher than state ones, their buildings are probably the best place to be if a hurricane hit full on. Will the OCTOD be as strict for future building works?