News Reedy Creek Improvement District and the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District

[lazyboy97o]

I want to see Disney retaliate with pettiness:

The affordable housing we were going to build? nah, changed our mind.

Florida resident discounts? Nothing but a memory.

Lake Nona Campus what?

Donations to local charities? That’s cute.

No, that would absolutely be the wrong move.

 

[mkt]

Exactly. Which was one of the main reasons for the Anti-Grooming Bill that started all this to begin with.

Have you read the law?

 

[LAKid53]

Disney’s benefit is in predictability and control and they were granted in exchange for regulation. That doesn’t mean there aren’t other ways to get those benefits. The Villages is thousands of people living in a pseudo hereditary monarchy.

Governed by....Village Central Community Development District.

 

[Sir_Cliff]

No, that would absolutely be the wrong move.

Completely agree.

Disney actually seems to have handled this phase of their issues with the Florida government reasonably well by keeping quiet and getting on with business.

 

[flynnibus]

What's a ball park guess of how much money FL residents in total save because of FL resident discounts?

Because... if FL doesn't want to give special considerations to WDW any more, then WDW might not feel any obligation to give FL residents special consideration with FL residents discounts any more.

bleh - the whole reason FL discounts exist is to drive local's coming when WDW needs them

'Ain't no one getting a discount because "we love you FL" emotions in the company

 

[mkt]

There's video, man. Video and documents and concrete evidence of teachers pushing "cisgender" kids to transition to the opposite gender or some third gender and to hide their transition from their parents. This is a real, ACTUAL thing that is happening. We can debate the extent to which it's happening, or whether the Parental Rights in Whatever Act is an effective means of combatting it, but your head is in the sand if you think it's not real.

PM me the links.

 

[mikejs78]

Did it occur to anyone the Orange and Osceola counties could just enact a special tourism tax on any tourism entity that employs more than X people? You don't think county residents would vote for that rather than having their taxes go up? There is more than one way to skin a cat.

Congratulations. You just ensured that Disney will lay off exactly the number of people or moves them out of state so they fall under the threshold.

This is not a law that "abridge(s) freedom of speech". No one is making a law saying Disney can't do or say what they please.

There is a ton of court precident that retaliation for political speech is akin to abridging someone's freedom of speech. The government of FL is doling out consequences to political speech. That's exactly what the first amendment was designed to prevent. Try again.

 

[mkt]

Exactly. Which was one of the main reasons for the Anti-Grooming Bill that started all this to begin with.

That law is so vaguely written that I have no idea what it does, other than give me the power to sue you because I find your post offensive and inappropriate for my age.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

No, that would absolutely be the wrong move.

I agree…

The right move is however to Dump money against.

I mean…had anyone noticed a thing about “that side” of the isle? When have they ever cared about their voters taking the hit? Made a science of allowing it and convincing them it’s someone else’s fault

 

[Sandurz]

This has nothing to do with the Constitutional First Amendment in regards to "free speech". I am really surprised at the amount of people beating that drum, since this crowd is usually a bit more educated about such things.

This is not a law that "abridge(s) freedom of speech". No one is making a law saying Disney can't do or say what they please.

What they are doing is proposing to remove special privileges Disney has with the government because it is actively trying to work against them. Is it retaliatory? Sure, but it has nothing to do with the First Amendment or prohibiting Disney's Free Speech. It's just nasty politics, and Disney has no "right" to those special privileges to begin with.

I'm just amazed at how pro-corporations special treatment people have suddenly become...

A law or other retaliatory action doesn’t have to explicitly be about speech to be a free speech issue

 

[Casper Gutman]

You're applying 1990s gay rights logic to the 2020s gender ideology debate.

The right wingers back then crowing about liberals wanting to "turn kids gay" were bigots. The right wingers today crowing about liberals wanting to "turn kids trans" are right. The Q+ people have tricked the LGBT people into defending some truly indefensible stuff by wrapping everything in the rainbow flag.

@Casper Gutman, you want an example of the woke mob chilling speech? How about the suppression of rapid-onset gender dysphoria research by the progressive mob? The be fair, the research did come out of noted right-wing think tank... checks notes... Brown University.

The modern assault is absolutely also directed at gay individuals, as the legislation in question makes clear. In the other thread, you got so tied into knots defending an indefensible position that you announced that children in preschool should not be exposed to stories with any romantic content - you know, like almost every Disney film or fairy tale.

So what is the government legislation that blocked the Brown University research? "Mobs" can be a problem, but they are a completely separate problem from the one we are discussing.

You claim not to want to see government power levelled against those you disagree with, but you then attempt to obfuscate or demolish the distinction between private and government action and claim to be amused by Governor DeSantis using legislation to attack private actors.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

PM me the links.

Tik Tok videos.

 

[mikejs78]

Mob action that causes me to be unemployable for holding opinions outside of the progressive orthodoxy is functionally no different than State action making such opinions illegal.

All of this is beside the point, of course, because none of the Florida legislation that we're talking about is an action against free speech.

If you are actually a libertarian, corporate or mob action is distinctly different than government action.

And yes, it is an action against free speech.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Exactly. Which was one of the main reasons for the Anti-Grooming Bill that started all this to begin with.

You just kinda proved the problem with it…

“Anti-grooming”??

 

["El Gran Magnifico"]

Sorry…that’s not how it went.

It was a requirement by Roy Disney to complete the land deals and do the build.

It’s being made out to be something like a 5 year tax abatement.

It’s much More than that

Right. But it’s been challenged before. Disney paid 13 million for the challenge to be dropped in 89. It wasn’t (isn’t) going to last forever. At the end of the day Disney may survive this one. But at some point - they won’t.

 

[mkt]

Tik Tok videos.

Those have links.

 

[Casper Gutman]

There's video, man. Video and documents and concrete evidence of teachers pushing "cisgender" kids to transition to the opposite gender or some third gender and to hide their transition from their parents. This is a real, ACTUAL thing that is happening. We can debate the extent to which it's happening, or whether the Parental Rights in Whatever Act is an effective means of combatting it, but your head is in the sand if you think it's not real.

What is the source of the video?

 

[the_rich]

What is the source of the video?

Probably from the same place that tried to spread video purportedly showing Hillary and huma killing a young child.

 

[mkt]

You just kinda proved the problem with it…

“Anti-grooming”??

It's pretty sad the narrative being pushed by the far right.

According to them, just based off of my politics, I must be a gay pedophile child groomer who smuggles babies to sex dens in a pizza place who is at the same time a snowflake violent thug socialist fascist paid for by George Soros's Chinese bank account... hillarylaptopbidenhunterbutterymails...

...without realizing that I'm a happily married straight cisgender male with a kid of my own that I'm trying to raise to be a good human being and who treats everyone equally.

 

[LAKid53]

So what I've learned from doing research (anyone with more knowledge of Reedy Creek, please correct any errors below):

• Disney already pays property taxes to Orange and Osceola counties - as well as to Reedy Creek. The counties don't get to assess any new taxes on Disney to cover the services that they would have to absorb. Since you can't just raise taxes on one entity they would have to raise taxes either on all businesses or on all residents. Additionally, a provision in the FL state Constitution caps the amount that any business/entity's property taxes can go up in a given year. So to cover the services that Disney pays Reedy Creek for today, it would cost all taxpayers ~ $2500 a year in additional property taxes.
• There is still the question of whether or not the legislature can do this without the majority vote of all residents of the district.
• The districts would also have to assume the $2B in bonds that Reedy Creek has floated.
• What Disney would lose from this, primarily, is speed. Being able to avoid construction bureaucracy, and being able to control construction on things like roads and infrastructure (they may have to wait for the counties to do some of this construction, not sure how much of things like roads and infrastructure are controlled/managed by Reedy Creek vs Disney). Financially, Disney would be paying more but not a ridiculous amount more.

Seems to me like this was a decision to shoot first, ask questions later. A mandate with no plan on how to actually implement it.

I've read the existing statute. I see nothing in either HB3C or SB4-C that amends 189.072(2)(a), Florida Statutes:

"(2) OTHER DISSOLUTIONS.—
(a) In order for the Legislature to dissolve an active independent special district created and operating pursuant to a special act, the special act dissolving the active independent special district must be approved by a majority of the resident electors of the district or, for districts in which a majority of governing body members are elected by landowners, a majority of the landowners voting in the same manner by which the independent special district’s governing body is elected."

Reedy Creek was created by an act of the Florida Legislature in 1967. The above quoted section of Florida Statute would have to be followed, otherwise the dissolution is prohibited by existing law.