News Reedy Creek Improvement District and the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District

[Smiley/OCD]

Apparently you’ve never been to the corrupt state of New Jersey.

Any time mkt wants to trade governors, I’ll drive snaggletooth down and Ron back north

 

[LAKid53]

Property taxes aren't the only revenue source for a county. And while sponsor of the bill - she isn't the interpreter of the law. They weren't that explicit in the bill passed, so it's not her call. The staff analysis says that... but the staff analysis also didn't address the fact that RCID is an independent district that spans two counties. So how that gets divided would be something to be hammered out too.

Notable they don't just get the debt, but the assets.

Those are assets owned by a legal entity. They won't just "get them". Florida statute doesn't allow government to acquire assets of another entity without some compensation.

 

[flynnibus]

While both Orange and Osceola Counties could do so, DeSantis signed SB620 into law, limiting what local governments can do.

And requires damages of 15% of a business' revenue or profits. A high bar for a company making billions a year

 

["El Gran Magnifico"]

The question folks should be asking is how will this decision affect taxpayers across the state, and especially the taxpayers in Orange and Osceola counties.

And it’ll be answered the same way it always is. Tourism taxes. An extra point or two on your hotel night. Your Cruise. Your theme park ticket. Your Uber ride or rental car. Your parasailing adventure. Your merengue lessons on South Beach Your campsite. And so much more....

 

[Disstevefan1]

Yea, that's what this thread has been about. We all know it's gonna pass. But the argument is whether it's right and/or enforceable. To which I say no to both.

I hope you are right, but after it's passed, Disney walks away from the following, previously done by RCID:

• 134 miles of roadways and 67 miles of waterways built and maintained
• 250,000 daily guests
• 6-8 minute response time for fire and EMS
• 60,000 tons of waste managed
• 30 tons of aluminum, paper, steel cans, cardboard and plastic containers recycled every year
• 22,800 water samples collected by RCID scientists from 1,500 locations on the property for testing every year
• 90,000 analyses conducted to make sure that water quality meets or exceeds state and national standards. Water draining from the south end of the District is generally cleaner than when it entered Reedy Creek at its north end.
• 2,000 vendors, suppliers and contractors used to provide a high level of public services for visitors

So I guess these costs are passed on to the taxpayer?
Who cares? As long is I am not affected, right ?

 

[mkt]

Any time mkt wants to trade governors, I’ll drive snaggletooth down and Ron back north

My plan involves leaving Florida before my son starts school.

 

[LAKid53]

Maybe, once the two counties get saddled with the Special District, instead of incorporating them as separate towns, the county can make a special district of them...

Counties can form special districts by referendum, approved by voters.

How the debts of Reedy Creek will be reassigned in that case.

Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes : Online Sunshine

 

[mkt]

If this was actually the case and Disney could dump that much of the bill on the taxpayers, they will be thrilled by this, right? Disney should have done this years ago and saved all that money!

It’s RCID debt, not Disney debt.

 

[the_rich]

I hope you are right, but after it's passed, Disney walks away from the following, previously done by RCID:

• 134 miles of roadways and 67 miles of waterways built and maintained
• 250,000 daily guests
• 6-8 minute response time for fire and EMS
• 60,000 tons of waste managed
• 30 tons of aluminum, paper, steel cans, cardboard and plastic containers recycled every year
• 22,800 water samples collected by RCID scientists from 1,500 locations on the property for testing every year
• 90,000 analyses conducted to make sure that water quality meets or exceeds state and national standards. Water draining from the south end of the District is generally cleaner than when it entered Reedy Creek at its north end.
• 2,000 vendors, suppliers and contractors used to provide a high level of public services for visitors

So I guess these costs are passed on to the taxpayer?
Who cares? As long is I am not affected, right ?

There's a statute that says all residents of that district must vote on dissolution. They're all disney employees.

 

[lazyboy97o]

There's a statute that says all residents of that district must vote on dissolution. They're all disney employees.

Reedy Creek Improvement District is still landowner controlled, so it’d be the landowners. Disney is the largest but there are a few others. Does anyone know if the Secretary of Defense likes going to Walt Disney World?

 

[ᗩLᘿᑕ ✨ ᗩζᗩᗰ]

So... Is this enough to get Chapek the boot?

 

[flynnibus]

Disney's assessed property tax value is artificially low because of the existence of the District.

RCID isn't the tax assessor...

 

[LAKid53]

I hope you are right, but after it's passed, Disney walks away from the following, previously done by RCID:

• 134 miles of roadways and 67 miles of waterways built and maintained
• 250,000 daily guests
• 6-8 minute response time for fire and EMS
• 60,000 tons of waste managed
• 30 tons of aluminum, paper, steel cans, cardboard and plastic containers recycled every year
• 22,800 water samples collected by RCID scientists from 1,500 locations on the property for testing every year
• 90,000 analyses conducted to make sure that water quality meets or exceeds state and national standards. Water draining from the south end of the District is generally cleaner than when it entered Reedy Creek at its north end.
• 2,000 vendors, suppliers and contractors used to provide a high level of public services for visitors

So I guess these costs are passed on to the taxpayer?
Who cares? As long is I am not affected, right ?

The water quality issue will be passed off to the county, SFWMD or DEP.

 

[Disstevefan1]

It’s RCID debt, not Disney debt.

All the stuff RCID did, Disney paid for. Now all that cost is passed on to the taxpayer I presume.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

One has nothing to do with the other. That's like saying my county undercharges me for taxes because I also pay town and school taxes. The county cares not one bit what I pay the town so long as they get their share.

They would care if you lived in a super secret town that self-funded its own would-be county services.

 

[wendysue]

I'm thinking Illinois isn't so bad anymore. Thankful we decided NOT to move to Florida.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I hope you are right, but after it's passed, Disney walks away from the following, previously done by RCID:

• 134 miles of roadways and 67 miles of waterways built and maintained
• 250,000 daily guests
• 6-8 minute response time for fire and EMS
• 60,000 tons of waste managed
• 30 tons of aluminum, paper, steel cans, cardboard and plastic containers recycled every year
• 22,800 water samples collected by RCID scientists from 1,500 locations on the property for testing every year
• 90,000 analyses conducted to make sure that water quality meets or exceeds state and national standards. Water draining from the south end of the District is generally cleaner than when it entered Reedy Creek at its north end.
• 2,000 vendors, suppliers and contractors used to provide a high level of public services for visitors

So I guess these costs are passed on to the taxpayer?
Who cares? As long is I am not affected, right ?

Some of this, such as the waste management and utilities, is handled by Reedy Creek Energy Services, a subsidiary of The Walt Disney Company. Those services could continue to be contracted out to the company.

 

[lazyboy97o]

They would care if you lived in a super secret town that self-funded its own would-be county services.

Why do you keep making stuff up? There’s nothing secret about the District.

 

[Disstevefan1]

The water quality issue will be passed off to the county, SFWMD or DEP.

EVERYTHING will be passed on to the county and paid for by the taxpayer.
Disney says, Hey Florida, you want to take away our autonomy? Your RESIDENTS will pay!
Disney wins again!

 

[LAKid53]

Are you not proud the great state of Florida called it's legislators to Tallahassee to convene into a special session which was originally called to work on the constant, ongoing, interminable property insurance availability and cost issues is taking their valuable time to pursue this path that is doomed to fail in the courts?
God what a waste

Special Session #2, no less. And no, none of us property owners are happy that the reason for calling the session in the first place have been tabled. The property insurance crisis SHOULD have been addressed in the Regular Session....

Special sessions cost around $1M. Paid by us taxpayers.