News Reedy Creek Improvement District and the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District

[MR.Dis]

Getting back to this issue: There are basically 2 ways for Disney to go.
1. Sue in Federal court for violation of first amendment rights. If Disney wins, what would the remedy be, reversing the new Reedy Creek government structure? Would the Federal court rule in such a way, that a State has to reverse how it chooses to govern within its boundries. I am not an attorney or constitution expert so someone else will need to state their opinion if this is possible.
2. Sue in State court that the new Reedy Board violates the State constitution. Is their not enough vague language in what has been posted in this forum to give the court enough leeway to say nope, perfectly legal? Again, I will let those with more legal knowledge than me give an opinion on this.
Of course there is a third course of action, just accept and learn to work with new structure.

 

[the_rich]

As someone who has worked for a company that has been.... Peltzed, he isn't all that, and in fact generally can be a waste of perfectly good oxygen.

I dont agree with him or what he's doing. I was just saying it's legal.

 

[JohnD]

The meeting will be broadcast on https://thefloridachannel.org/

Yep. Usually are.

 

[kong1802]

Getting back to this issue: There are basically 2 ways for Disney to go.
1. Sue in Federal court for violation of first amendment rights. If Disney wins, what would the remedy be, reversing the new Reedy Creek government structure? Would the Federal court rule in such a way, that a State has to reverse how it chooses to govern within its boundries. I am not an attorney or constitution expert so someone else will need to state their opinion if this is possible.
2. Sue in State court that the new Reedy Board violates the State constitution. Is their not enough vague language in what has been posted in this forum to give the court enough leeway to say nope, perfectly legal? Again, I will let those with more legal knowledge than me give an opinion on this.
Of course there is a third course of action, just accept and learn to work with new structure.

I believe the basis for the suit would be that the actions were in violation of the 1st amendment, not necessarily the makeup of the board.

The makeup of the board would come into play as Disney would have to show why this is negative for them, but IMO that would be pretty easy to do.

They also have the tape.... All they have to do it seems is roll in the tv strapped to the rolling cart, press play, and rest their case.

 

[GoofGoof]

I'll give you that, but I think you and I can both agree there's a difference between Lennar building a development and selling the homes off to many individual homebuyers, profiting once, and Disney building an entertainment complex 50+ years ago and continuing to profit off it ever since.

Not to mention the size, influence and value of the respective companies.

WDW is very, very profitable for TWDC and we all know that better than most That being said, Disney doesn’t make “super profits” from all of us from WDW because it has some unfair advantage over the competition by having RCID. RCID performs some very mundane tasks like sewer and water treatment, trash collection, electric supply and first responders. None of those areas is a key driver of profit and any cost savings would be a rounding error in Disney’s overall financials. I only point this out because it seems like there’s a narrative out there that somehow Disney is profiting greatly from RCID at the expensive of the government or other citizens and that’s really not true.

 

[MR.Dis]

I believe the basis for the suit would be that the actions were in violation of the 1st amendment, not necessarily the makeup of the board.

The makeup of the board would come into play as Disney would have to show why this is negative for them, but IMO that would be pretty easy to do.

They also have the tape.... All they have to do it seems is roll in the tv strapped to the rolling cart, press play, and rest their case.

Again what is the remedy? Violation of first amendment is a Federal violation. So you are stating the Federal court would than tell the State of Florida it must change the make up of the Reedy District board? Not saying there is not a case regarding violating first amendments rights, but that does not mean the Federal courts are going to tell the State of Florida it cannot change the board members. Is there an attorney in the room who has a legal opinion on this.

 

[GoofGoof]

But surely Disney would not have kept RCID around for 50+ years, or lobby for its creation back in the 60s, if it did not provide a net benefit. Sure, there may be some trade offs, but I think we can all agree that Disney benefits from RCID's existence more than it loses from it.

The major benefit is they maintain control over the quality of services vs what they would get if they relied on the local government for the same services (like Universal or their other competitors). For example Disney controls RCID EMTs and fire services. They have chosen not to charge a guest for an ambulance ride to the hospital and they will also give them a free ride back to WDW. If Orange county was in charge they wouldn’t have that option. Same goes for roads. If there’s a pot hole they get it fixed immediately. If Disney decides they want a new turning lane it’s built. No waiting around. The only financial benefit Disney gets from RCID is they can finance certain projects with municipal bonds like the parking garages. Disney has plenty of cash these days and can borrow at a much lower rate than 50 years ago so not a huge benefit but it was in the past, say the 1980s when they built EPCOT.

 

[kong1802]

Again what is the remedy? Violation of first amendment is a Federal violation. So you are stating the Federal court would than tell the State of Florida it must change the make up of the Reedy District board? Not saying there is not a case regarding violating first amendments rights, but that does not mean the Federal courts are going to tell the State of Florida it cannot change the board members. Is there an attorney in the room who has a legal opinion on this.

They will force Ron to do community service as Pooh. One day a week until his 500 hours are up.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Again what is the remedy? Violation of first amendment is a Federal violation. So you are stating the Federal court would than tell the State of Florida it must change the make up of the Reedy District board? Not saying there is not a case regarding violating first amendments rights, but that does not mean the Federal courts are going to tell the State of Florida it cannot change the board members. Is there an attorney in the room who has a legal opinion on this.

Federal courts tell states they can’t do things all the time. Florida is currently enjoined from enforcing the Stop WOKE Act by a federal court.

The Florida Constitution also protects speech. It also has clauses related to taxing authority and local control.

 

[MR.Dis]

WDW is very, very profitable for TWDC and we all know that better than most That being said, Disney doesn’t make “super profits” from all of us from WDW because it has some unfair advantage over the competition by having RCID. RCID performs some very mundane tasks like sewer and water treatment, trash collection, electric supply and first responders. None of those areas is a key driver of profit and any cost savings would be a rounding error in Disney’s overall financials. I only point this out because it seems like there’s a narrative out there that somehow Disney is profiting greatly from RCID at the expensive of the government or other citizens and that’s really not true.

As an aside, Disneyland operates in a very regulated state, California. It sits in Orange County whose board has recently has been very confrontational. Yet, Disney has had little problems getting things passed for the improvement of Disneyland in recent years. I am not so sure that the change in the RCID will present this big problem for the future management of WDW.

 

[drnilescrane]

As an aside, Disneyland operates in a very regulated state, California. It sits in Orange County whose board has recently has been very confrontational. Yet, Disney has had little problems getting things passed for the improvement of Disneyland in recent years. I am not so sure that the change in the RCID will present this big problem for the future management of WDW.

Orange County doesn't handle planning, the City of Anaheim does.

Disney has had immense issues getting planning amendments through the City Council. However, the existing Anaheim Resort specific plan gives Disney entitlements to build on their land.

The problem is those entitlements are stuck in the Eisner era and they need to be updated, which is the proposal behind DisneylandForward. I'm not confident that it will pass due to the latest corruption scandal that unfortunately involves Disney. It seems destined for the same fate as the eastern gateway.

 

[lazyboy97o]

As an aside, Disneyland operates in a very regulated state, California. It sits in Orange County whose board has recently has been very confrontational. Yet, Disney has had little problems getting things passed for the improvement of Disneyland in recent years. I am not so sure that the change in the RCID will present this big problem for the future management of WDW.

Surely you can name some if these projects that didn’t rely on previously granted planning approval.

 

[MR.Dis]

Orange County doesn't handle planning, the City of Anaheim does.

Disney has had immense issues getting planning amendments through the City Council. However, the existing Anaheim Resort specific plan gives Disney entitlements to build on their land.

The problem is those entitlements are stuck in the Eisner era and they need to be updated, which is the proposal behind DisneylandForward. I'm not confident that it will pass due to the latest corruption scandal that unfortunately involves Disney. It seems destined for the same fate as the eastern gateway.

Are saying that there is not massive new developements going on right now in Disneyland? Somehow those projects did get approved. So Disney has learned how to work with local, county and state governments in California or am I missing something?

 

[lazyboy97o]

Are saying that there is not massive new developements going on right now in Disneyland? Somehow those projects did get approved. So Disney has learned how to work with local, county and state governments in California or am I missing something?

You’re missing a lot.

 

[drnilescrane]

Are saying that there is not massive new developements going on right now in Disneyland? Somehow those projects did get approved. So Disney has learned how to work with local, county and state governments in California or am I missing something?

They are all based on entitlements granted in the early 90s as part of the resort expansion. Look up the Eastern Gateway project or the 4th Hotel project.

 

[GoofGoof]

As an aside, Disneyland operates in a very regulated state, California. It sits in Orange County whose board has recently has been very confrontational. Yet, Disney has had little problems getting things passed for the improvement of Disneyland in recent years. I am not so sure that the change in the RCID will present this big problem for the future management of WDW.

Who said it would? A replacement board cannot stop Disney from operating their parks as they see fit. The Orange County CA board is elected by the people not appointed by the Governor to punish Disney. Big difference.

A new board could get in the way of certain new infrastructure projects and they will likely make it more expensive to get things done. Once you hand board seats over to people as political favors they will pull stunts like hire their cousin to pave the roads at 3x the cost. There is also the justifiable fear that any time Disney does anything that bothers the Governor he will use his control to punish them again. Release a movie with content he doesn’t approve of, raise their taxes. Speak out for employee rights, deny approval for project.

 

[Rickcat96]

Have not seen who is paying for these changes and if the "New" supervisors will be compensated and by whom. I guess the State will pay a lease on the building too?

 

[lazyboy97o]

Who said it would? A replacement board cannot stop Disney from operating their parks as they see fit. The Orange County CA board is elected by the people not appointed by the Governor to punish Disney. Big difference.

A new board could get in the way of certain new infrastructure projects and they will likely make it more expensive to get things done. Once you hand board seats over to people as political favors they will pull stunts like hire their cousin to pave the roads at 3x the cost. There is also the justifiable fear that any time Disney does anything that bothers the Governor he will use his control to punish them again. Release a movie with content he doesn’t approve of, raise their taxes. Speak out for employee rights, deny approval for project.

A hostile district absolutely could interfered with daily operations. Attractions and facilities could be shut down by order of the district.

 

[ThatMouse]

I like Disney's comment, let me translate: "Disney is a big company that has to comply with 100,000 municipalities all over the world, including the strange ones in China. We'll try to manage lol!"

 

[flynnibus]

You’re missing a lot.

It's as if Disneylands woes with the City Council of the last decade just magically vanished...