News Reedy Creek Improvement District and the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District

[lazyboy97o]

@wdwmagic are we still required to call this a reasonable compromise?

 

[mightynine]

The most obvious issue in the State's is taking away landowner's voting power for the district while keeping said district in place. This is extremely likely headed to court (assuming it will be settled by the federal courts at some point). This is way thornier and legally dubious than the state just dissolving the district.

Guessing they think by keeping the district in place but adding another layer of red tape over it, that would keep Reedy Creek's liabilities from being dumped on the local counties. Something they might've considered before dragging out the big ol' rubber stamp before!

 

[sedati]

Florida elected a king and by right he's claiming corporate prima nocta.

To many down there, magic is in line with the occult, so it would be perfectly in line for this new board to have all references to magic removed.

 

[lazyboy97o]

A few years to re-do existing code...

3089 (3) REVIEW AND EVALUATION OF EXISTING RESOLUTIONS, CODES,
3090 AND REGULATIONS.—On or before July 1, 2026, the district must
3091 undertake a comprehensive review and evaluation of its
3092 comprehensive plan, zoning regulations, land development
3093 regulations, environmental protection regulations, building and
3094 safety codes and regulations, platting and subdivision
3095 regulations, and fire prevention regulations and adopt revisions
3096 to such as the district determines are necessary for health,
3097 safety, and welfare and for consistency with this act.

So they’re going to investigate the use of the state’s own fire prevention regulations. This totally isn’t being done on a whim.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Fun line...

3028 hereafter enacted to the contrary notwithstanding, the
3029 jurisdiction and powers of the board of supervisors with respect
3030 to the matters provided for in this section shall be exclusive
3031 of any and all codes, ordinances, requirements, plans, or other
3032 regulations of the respective Boards of County Commissioners of
3033 Orange and Osceola Counties or of any other agency or authority
3034 of Orange County or Osceola County with respect to comprehensive
3035 plans; zoning; building and construction; planning with respect
3036 to the subdividing, uses, development, and redevelopment of
3037 land; regulation of building safety; regulation of escalators,
3038 elevators, and other lifting or transportation devices;
3039 regulation of amusement and recreation parks and facilities;

You need to include what section these quotes are from. This section references:

3021 Section 23. Planning; building codes; safety regulations;
3022 platting and subdivisions; zoning.—
3023 (1) EXEMPTION FROM COUNTY ZONING AND REGULATION;
3024 LIMITATION OF MUNICIPAL ORDINANCES AND REGULATIONS.

This section is about building codes and safety regulation and general zoning. Sure, the governor's guys could create crazy codes for the parks ("Magic Kingdom, for the sake of fire safety shall cap its attendance to just 5,000 guests per day"). But this bill provides means of challenging any decision and allowing conflicts to go to court.

We'll see if, in the end, the governor can name people to the board, what sort of mischief they intend to do.

Otherwise, this all reads as boilerplate special district language (as far as I have skimmed). The one big difference is the appointment of the board directly by the governor with senate approval.

 

[Surferboy567]

Florida elected a king and by right he's claiming corporate prima nocta.

To many down there, magic is in line with the occult, so it would be perfectly in line for this new board to have all references to magic removed.

It’s crazy that the board could theoretically do that

 

[ctrlaltdel]

Honestly (especially after Iger re-took over), shocked that DeSantis didn't have someone negotiate some things out of the original RCID legislation to "own" Disney but fundamentally keeping everything the same (which honestly benefits all parties). Instead he's still going for a full powergrab. Seems silly, but we all know he's hoping to not even be in Florida by the time this is actually resolved.

 

[Ayla]

Pretty sure this part is unconstitutional under the FL constitution.

It's all unconstitutional...and a wanna-be dictator's playbook.

 

[Gringrinngghost]

The most obvious issue is the state taking away landowner's voting power for the district while keeping said district in place. This is extremely likely headed to court (assuming it will be settled by the federal courts at some point). This is way thornier and legally dubious than the state just dissolving the district.

Florida does know a thing or two sadly about Jim Crow. Its just modernized here.

 

[Ayla]

Politically at least, they don't have much to gain from announcing a cancellation of Lake Nona.

Those who support this move will just hail it as another victory in the fight to drive wokeness out of the state and it helps that camp to imply some kind of hostility on Disney's part toward Florida. Even if they're rethinking it, they'd be best to keep quiet and (slowly) proceed for now.

It would also deprive FL of hundreds of millions of dollars.

 

[Gringrinngghost]

shocked that DeSantis didn't have someone negotiate some things

That would show a sign of weakness on his behalf when He is trying to court trumps supporters. He ran on a trump agenda to be honest.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Politically at least, they don't have much to gain from announcing a cancellation of Lake Nona.

Indeed. Cancelling could backfire in making seem that Disney is threatening the governor or the state.

Best to go ahead and build it.

Slowly.

 

[Surferboy567]

It would also deprive FL of hundreds of millions of dollars.

At this point, we are way past that. They are already attacking their possibly biggest source of income (if they aren’t their biggest source of income). They bite the hand that feeds.

 

[mightynine]

Indeed. Cancelling could backfire in making seem that Disney is threatening the governor or the state.

Best to go ahead and build it.

Slowly.

They're going to make some poor Imagineer work from a tractor-trailer on the site for a year, aren't they?

"Tom, you've always wanted to work close to water, right?"

 

[lazyboy97o]

Honestly (especially after Iger re-took over), shocked that DeSantis didn't have someone negotiate some things out of the original RCID legislation to "own" Disney but fundamentally keeping everything the same (which honestly benefits all parties). Instead he's still going for a full powergrab. Seems silly, but we all know he's hoping to not even be in Florida by the time this is actually resolved.

Those alleged plans were not being reported as a win.

 

[sedati]

They touted the drop in stock value as a victory so if it comes down to Disney suing, could the 50% drop be seen a reasonable damages (amounts other things)?

 

[mikejs78]

You need to include what section these quotes are from. This section references:

3021 Section 23. Planning; building codes; safety regulations;
3022 platting and subdivisions; zoning.—
3023 (1) EXEMPTION FROM COUNTY ZONING AND REGULATION;
3024 LIMITATION OF MUNICIPAL ORDINANCES AND REGULATIONS.

This section is about building codes and safety regulation and general zoning. Sure, the governor's guys could create crazy codes for the parks ("Magic Kingdom, for the sake of fire safety shall cap its attendance to just 5,000 guests per day"). But this bill provides means of challenging any decision and allowing conflicts to go to court.

We'll see if, in the end, the governor can name people to the board, what sort of mischief they intend to do.

Otherwise, this all reads as boilerplate special district language (as far as I have skimmed). The one big difference is the appointment of the board directly by the governor with senate approval.

I don't think that's the case. The section on taxes and fees in particular seems to basically allow the district to raise money however it wants with very few limits - without consent of the voters.

There's even a 10 mil "ad valorem maintenance fee".

And also a ton about the district superceding municipalities in every way - not standard boilerplate.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I don’t think the district has that type of power over private land use, they are in charge of permits, roads, sewer, etc just like a normal municipality, just like my city can deny me a permit to build a new shed but they dont have the power to tell me to tear down my permitted house.

The district has the power over “private land” because the districts and all the land are owned by the same P.O. Box…

It’s in burbank, California…

That’s exactly why the Disney brothers insisted on it before they bought the land/made the announcements. It was “politely required” by Roy…never “optional”

Florida was more sleepy then than they are now…
…so a large company with amazing clout decided to build them a region.
And they damn well did.

This is such 21st century “nonsense”…it’s all bluster and no pragmatism.

Ready player one feels more “grounded” than this.

 

[rezzyk]

Otherwise, this all reads as boilerplate special district language (as far as I have skimmed). The one big difference is the appointment of the board directly by the governor with senate approval.

So actually that's my question - do other districts have boards that are appointed by the governor? Like, this special session is also reauthorizing the Eastpoint Water and Sewer District - what is their board situation? And I guess it's too soon to know how the Shingle Creek Transit Utility Community Development District (if that's even the same type of thing) for Brightline/I-Drive will be set up.

I would think that if RDIC is being singled out with rules/requirements that other districts are not, that's an easy win in court for Disney.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

And people want this dude to be POTUS?

Not nearly as many as he thinks

…just bring it