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CntrlFlPete

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Technically late 2024/early 2025 if DeSantis runs for and wins the presidency.

And then Disney has bigger issues: A POTUS who is against them and isn't afraid to use the resources at his disposal to make their existence a living hell.

current FL law would not let the GOV. run for president w/o resigning, so he would need to step down the day he announces his run -- save I am sure his legislators will pause said law.
 

mkt

When a paradise is lost go straight to Disney™
Premium Member
current FL law would not let the GOV. run for president w/o resigning, so he would need to step down the day he announces his run -- save I am sure his legislators will pause said law.
Bolded for emphasis.

Which law btw? I'm really not in the mood to fish through legislation.
 

lazyboy97o

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Bolded for emphasis.

Which law btw? I'm really not in the mood to fish through legislation.
Here is the law.

And leaders of the state houses are on the record as being open to making just such changes.
 

mkt

When a paradise is lost go straight to Disney™
Premium Member
Here is the law.

And leaders of the state houses are on the record as being open to making just such changes.
Appreciate this.

And yep, sounds about right. Party and politics before people.
 

flynnibus

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You really have it wrong! You can have all the free speech, no limits, but! the speech that is impactful is eloquent. So you still don't get it. No one is talking about limiting free speech. It's about meaningful free speech that has impact and is not useless noise. Everyone and anyone can generate noise. Most protests have soo many people exercising "free speech" they successfully drown each other out and all that is heard is NOISE!

Again... this conflict had nothing to do with how the message was delivered so your whole "How something is presented is very often more important than what is presented" is irrelevant. It had everything to do with agendas and spite.

Hitler was really moving in his delivery and timing too...
 
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Ayla

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But is incredibly slow, boring, and not something either side can amplify or make more interesting as the process drones on for years. They don't control the venue... they don't control the timing... they don't control the presentation. It's a bog they can't make dance like they can their own venues and messages.

It's not like some OJ trial with a ton of witness testimony, etc.. It will be years of filings and motions with zero TV time and very few hearings vs the amount of time and cycles.
And it costs both parties an incredible amount of (wasted) money. Whether they realize it or not, FL taxpayers are paying for this hissy fit from their govenor.
 

GimpYancIent

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And it costs both parties an incredible amount of (wasted) money. Whether they realize it or not, FL taxpayers are paying for this hissy fit from their govenor.
True! RCID will go away, another entity will be created to fill the void that will not look like nor be named RCID but cover all the necessary functions, the state, counties, WDW and other parties involved will continue just fine. The small army of legal eagles working out the legal language and details are billing a ton of hours (yeah, they are happy) and the everyday citizen? will just foot the bills and have to survive with the results.
 

lazyboy97o

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You really have it wrong! You can have all the free speech, no limits, but! the speech that is impactful is eloquent. So you still don't get it. No one is talking about limiting free speech. It's about meaningful free speech that has impact and is not useless noise. Everyone and anyone can generate noise. Most protests have soo many people exercising "free speech" they successfully drown each other out and all that is heard is NOISE!
You are one who was characterizing the speech as problematic because it was a “threat.”
 

LittleBuford

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Here, as a reminder, is Disney's statement:

Florida’s HB 1557, also known as the ‘Don’t Say Gay’ bill, should never have passed and should never have been signed into law. Our goal as a company is for this law to be repealed by the legislature or struck down in the courts, and we remain committed to supporting the national and state organizations working to achieve that. We are dedicated to standing up for the rights and safety of LGBTQ+ members of the Disney family, as well as the LGBTQ+ community in Florida and across the country.​

It's not the most eloquent of compositions, to be sure, but neither is it "useless noise". I'm not sure how else the company could have expressed itself without prevaricating, which, to my mind, would have been worse.
 

LittleBuford

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Here, as a reminder, is Disney's statement:

Florida’s HB 1557, also known as the ‘Don’t Say Gay’ bill, should never have passed and should never have been signed into law. Our goal as a company is for this law to be repealed by the legislature or struck down in the courts, and we remain committed to supporting the national and state organizations working to achieve that. We are dedicated to standing up for the rights and safety of LGBTQ+ members of the Disney family, as well as the LGBTQ+ community in Florida and across the country.​

It's not the most eloquent of compositions, to be sure, but neither is it "useless noise". I'm not sure how else the company could have expressed itself without prevaricating, which, to my mind, would have been worse.
Is Chapek's supposed threat in reference to the statement I quoted above? Or is another statement meant?
 

GimpYancIent

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Why lie when the post is still right there for all to see?
No lie. You do like to throw that word around. Yes, my post is there for all to see and everyone, you included, are entitled to interpret what you want. BC's presentation could have been done in one sentence, been nonabrasive and moved on. That is not how it was presented, not what happened, and a lot of unnecessary turbulence has occurred. What happened / happened, no changing history just now adapt to the present and the future that is being crafted as we speak.
 

lazyboy97o

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No lie. You do like to throw that word around. Yes, my post is there for all to see and everyone, you included, are entitled to interpret what you want. BC's presentation could have been done in one sentence, been nonabrasive and moved on. That is not how it was presented, not what happened, and a lot of unnecessary turbulence has occurred. What happened / happened, no changing history just now adapt to the present and the future that is being crafted as we speak.
You’re complaining about it being two sentences too long? Which parts are overly abrasive? And no, what happened does not have to be accepted by anyone as the final word on what happened. What has happened absolutely can be changed otherwise a whole bunch of laws now considered unjust would still be enforced.
 

LittleBuford

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No lie. You do like to throw that word around. Yes, my post is there for all to see and everyone, you included, are entitled to interpret what you want. BC's presentation could have been done in one sentence, been nonabrasive and moved on. That is not how it was presented, not what happened, and a lot of unnecessary turbulence has occurred. What happened / happened, no changing history just now adapt to the present and the future that is being crafted as we speak.
The statement was from the Disney Company, not Chapek personally. None of us know how directly he shaped the wording.

Could you specify what you consider to be a threat in the statement?
 

Disstevefan1

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No lie. You do like to throw that word around. Yes, my post is there for all to see and everyone, you included, are entitled to interpret what you want. BC's presentation could have been done in one sentence, been nonabrasive and moved on. That is not how it was presented, not what happened, and a lot of unnecessary turbulence has occurred. What happened / happened, no changing history just now adapt to the present and the future that is being crafted as we speak.
I think it was the flip flop BC did that was a problem. BC mistakenly initially wanted to focus on the business instead of more important work of inclusion. Then he corrected himself and made it clear that the company was going to use its power to change the law.

If BI was in charge, he would have made it clear from the start he was against the law and made it clear that the company was going to use its power to change the law with no flip flop.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
You really don't get it. People need to learn from the great speakers instead of opening mouth and inserting foot. How something is presented is very often more important than what is presented.
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I fail to understand how this applies to my post in any way. Even if Chapek completely botched the delivery of his statements how is that an attack against the state? I assume you just wanted to post this meme and picked my post which is fine. I wasn’t talking about whether Chapek was smart or elegant or charismatic as a speaker and I never suggested he did a good job getting his point across. I specifically said I thought the delivery was botched from the start. That still doesn’t make what he said an attack against the state.
 

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