News Reedy Creek Improvement District and the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District

[GrumpyFan]

https://x.com/blog_mickey/status/1694815797472833673?s=46&t=HF1o3IG97G3ppq91ZzfqrA

Apologies if this was posted.

Source: Blog Mickey

Essentially, the CFTOD defendants want to have the matter settled in state court where they have already prevailed against Disney’s Motion to Dismiss.

I bet they do!
Hopefully the judge will toss that.

 

[Goofyernmost]

This is lazy reporting or talking points. The nuance and structures that defined (and still define) the relationship between Disney and RCID aren't just some vague thing to be ignored. Calling RCID employees the same as Disney employees is factually wrong. Those legal structures clearly define them as different things. No matter how many times some politician says Disney and RCID are the same thing, it is simply not true.

There's no leaching our or expansion of what an employer can give an employee here. Because district employees are NOT Disney employees, no matter how many times someone tries to say they are the same. Much like the Mayor or Miami is not a McDonald's employee despite the fact that there are McDonald's in Miami that pay taxes. (At least, I assume there are McDonald's in Miami.)

The legal and financial structures that create the District separate from Disney aren't some smoke and mirrors, they provide a strict definition of the entities.


Disney obviously had lots of influence over prior management. The board was an elected group and Disney had the majority of votes, hence they could vote to pick whomever they wanted. In any next election, they could vote in someone new. They obviously picked people that wanted to work together for a combined vision instead of people who were antagonistic towards them. That's not burying your head, that's the factual legal structure. Pretending Disney and the District were the same is just fantasy.


The District has never been a subsidiary of Disney. Not even close.


Because those are employees of Costco and the Car Rental Company. If you want to complete this analogy, it would be Costco giving free memberships directly to the building and health inspectors, and only the ones that work for the agency that covers them instead of all inspectors everywhere. If the inspection departments wanted to buy Costco memberships for all of their employees, that would be completely different. Even though, in both scenarios inspectors received free to them memberships. They are not the same.

Clearly, you don't really believe that the District employees are not Disney employees. If you cannot believe that well defined fact, what's the point. Might as well create any imaginary scenario, they'll all be just as valid.

Most of that post is what I have been saying and of course know that they worked for RCID and did not get a paycheck from Disney, however the burying ones head in the sand is when you know that RCID was formed by WDW and is there specifically for the things that are of the best interest of WDW and their pay is covered by taxes paid by Disney to RCID. RCID is not a for profit business. I know that legal crap but the reality is much deeper than the paper the setup was written on. I know all about the separate companies garbage, but it never really was run that way. Yes, I know that there were times when RCID conflicted with WDW's desires and that was partially what they were created for to keep things on the up and up as far as their responsibilities vs. WDW's wants are concerned. That is what is real and it is practiced like that in thousands of locations. Separate but connected so that things could happen faster and not have desk jockeys overseeing the building of the infrastructure or having to run things built within the overall Disney property is not going to burden the surrounding counties..

 

[Goofyernmost]

The Florida Legislature created Reedy Creek Improvement District, at the request of TWDC. You'd be surprised the number of special districts created at the request of developers or other non-government entities.

Why is everyone thinking that I am supporting the dictatorial actions of the Florida government. I am not and would love to see it all reversed and go back to square one. And I have seen and even been part of a district formed around the development lived in. I am fully aware of that as I am fully aware of how beneficial RCID was to Disney as well as the State of Florida. I know the history of why, when and how the RCID district was formed and it's responsibilities and agree with Disney's stand.

1. Disney doesn't "give them out". RCID paid for them. Read the invoice posted earlier in the thread.
2. Disney does not directly pay CFTOD employees. Any more than I write the paychecks of members of the Orange County commission.

I don't understand why you think that I think the Disney pays or ever has paid them directly, I know how it works, it seems to me that you are the one that isn't thinking in the reality of how that whole system works and works well.

 

[Goofyernmost]

No, those are benefits. As defined by law.

Seriously, stop.

Seriously, read my posts you are saying the same thing I am saying. I'm sorry you don't understand my examples and their obvious disconnects with the idea that they are gifts. Hence the reason why I put a ? after the word gifts. Seriously, stop!

 

[Goofyernmost]

The above is a transaction between private entities not between private and public.

The firefighters fall under governmental employees and WDW is private and could now be considered a political entity based on Chapek's second statement pertaining to the DSG bill.

Below is from the gift statutes of Florida:

(b) A political committee is prohibited from giving, directly or indirectly, any gift to a reporting individual or procurement employee or a member of his or her immediate family

A political committee did not give that our, Disney reward them for their help in maintaining a safe environment on the property. I never said that RCID or LSMFT or whatever the new name is gave anything to anyone.

 

[JoeCamel]

I bet they do!
Hopefully the judge will toss that.

Essentially, the CFTOD defendants want to have the matter settled in state court where they have already prevailed against Disney’s Motion to Dismiss.

I wouldn't ascribe too much weight to the dismissal denial, it's pro forma if there is even a shred of conflict that is unsettled between the parties the judge has to hear the evidence so the judge can rule who prevails and in what capacity

 

[LSLS]

Sounds like Nero playing his fiddle while Rome burns. Not going to go over the issues again, there are almost 1100 pages. There is a very real chance that after all is said and done, the State of Florida will have the final say on the ruling body. In the mean time the company could be in shambles. So if you think it is worth the challenge, you have the right to your opinion. I simply do not agree.

Wait, I'm confused. Are you of the opinion that the people running the company are neck deep into this lawsuit spending all their waking hours on it and ignoring the rest of the company?

 

[lazyboy97o]

Essentially, the CFTOD defendants want to have the matter settled in state court where they have already prevailed against Disney’s Motion to Dismiss.

I wouldn't ascribe too much weight to the dismissal denial, it's pro forma if there is even a shred of conflict that is unsettled between the parties the judge has to hear the evidence so the judge can rule who prevails and in what capacity

This denial of the motion to dismiss wasn’t pro forma. There is no conflict in the matter as the Distict is prohibited from following the agreements by state law. The judge was very close to flat out stating a desire to rule on the hypothetical.

 

[JoeCamel]

This denial of the motion to dismiss wasn’t pro forma. There is no conflict in the matter as the Distict is prohibited from following the agreements by state law. The judge was very close to flat out stating a desire to rule on the hypothetical.

Maybe I should have said most cases. Everyone I've seen has a couple of motions to dismiss during the case as a matter of course

 

[lazyboy97o]

Maybe I should have said most cases. Everyone I've seen has a couple of motions to dismiss during the case as a matter of course

Right, but in most cases you’ll have different outcomes based on who wins. Prior to Disney’s counterclaims, the state-level outcome of the case would be the same regardless of how the judge ruled.

 

[afterabme]

The City of Bay Lake will be holding a special meeting on August 30.
According to the agenda, it will recognize resignations of city council members: Jessie Mack Burns and Wendy Duncan. New city council members Bryan Swartz and Tanya Peak-Smith will take the oath of office.

https://www.rcid.org/meetings/city-of-bay-lake-special-meeting/
https://www.rcid.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/Agenda-BL-8-30-23-Special-Meeting.pdf

 

[LAKid53]

Maybe I should have said most cases. Everyone I've seen has a couple of motions to dismiss during the case as a matter of course

Because that's the typical response to a lawsuit against a government, large corporation, etc.

 

[LAKid53]

RCID was formed by WDW and is there specifically for the things that are of the best interest of WDW and their pay is covered by taxes paid by Disney to RCID. RCID is not a for profit business.

Apparently you don't "know that legal crap" because:
1. RCID was created BY THE FLORIDA LEGISLATURE under Chapter 67-764 and signed into law by then Governor Claude Kirk.
2. RCID is NOT a business, profit or otherwise. It is a subdivision of state government with the same powers and responsibilities as a county government. Businesses don't have taxing authority, for starters.

 

[LAKid53]

Why is everyone thinking that I am supporting the dictatorial actions of the Florida government.

Did anybody say that, directly? People are just pointing out your statements are incorrect. Especially when you keep saying this...

RCID was formed by WDW

 

[LAKid53]

I also believe Disney has the capability to focus on both if needed, as needed.

As do most large companies....

 

[LAKid53]

Is this a contractual benefit or a “perk”? How does he get to take his grandchildren? For free? If this is a matter of just giving out tickets when requested, DW is like an open bar for employees where taxpayers foot the bill. The $1000 stipend restricts employees from inviting more than just their immediate families. Remember, FLA residents already are paying a minimal amount to enjoy the parks compared to tourists. Would love to know how this benefit actually worked. Sounds like it was being mismanaged/abused. Kind of like using 10 sick days when you were only sick for 4 and used the other 6 “just because”. Eventually something has got to give. FYI…I have been union for 23 yrs.

According to OCTOD, fewer than 50% were utilizing the benefit.

 

[Figgy1]

According to OCTOD, fewer than 50% were utilizing the benefit.

The question is do I believe anything they say

 

[LAKid53]

The question is do I believe anything they say

The issue for me is does that figure correlate to the invoice that's been made public.

 

[Figgy1]

The issue for me is does that figure correlate to the invoice that's been made public.

I'm also wondering if that 50% figure is only the employees or are they also counting included eligible family members

 

[Goofyernmost]

Apparently you don't "know that legal crap" because:
1. RCID was created BY THE FLORIDA LEGISLATURE under Chapter 67-764 and signed into law by then Governor Claude Kirk.
2. RCID is NOT a business, profit or otherwise. It is a subdivision of state government with the same powers and responsibilities as a county government. Businesses don't have taxing authority, for starters.

Good grief you are such a literal person! I and everyone else know that the FLORIDA LEGISLATURE created RCID. How much has to be said before you realize the it was at the request of the Disney Co. It didn't just materialize. It was a mutual agreement between WDW and the FLORIDA LEGISLATURE. Thanks though for schooling me on stuff that I already know.

You can go ahead and ignore the whys and they way it was set up, because Disney was the land owner of the area they were going to exercise that power strictly within the boundaries of that Disney property. Disney's votes elected the people that were going to oversee their property's infrastructure and general structures within that property. They were given the "power" to organize and maintain and establish the rules based on law and the needs of TWDC and it's resort in Central Florida. It was and continued to be a well run operation until certain people decided that it would be a good idea to silence one of the largest tax generators in the entire state.

The state is supposed to authorize or illuminate the agreement but it should be for a good reason, not just because someone's ego was bruised. Not a single thing has been found that is incriminating. You know that because if there had been it would be shouted at the top of that idiots lungs. However, the state had no constitutional right to take over the operation of that specialized government without good reasons and that is why the Disney Co. has to fight it every inch of the way. It's not that they don't have the right to eliminate it, but to do it because someone had used their free speech rights is something that everyone should be shocked about because if they feel they can do that to a entity the size of Disney then they wouldn't even break a sweat doing it to every individual within that governments sphere.

I'm done with this back and forth unless it is not just nitpicking or misinterpretation of statements.