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[flynnibus]

Not exactly. THere is LOT to this and most don't really grasp all that is entailed. And many on the Disney sites have trouble divorcing themselves from their love of the parks. The taxes on those in the district are actually going down. Mostly due to cuts that are being made to services related to disney.

Disney is like 95% of the district and it's purpose. And the other remainder are only there BECAUSE of what Disney is doing. So no, it's not something you can paint as bad because they were 'services related to Disney'. The entire district is there to facilitate the development that is all there BECAUSE of Disney.

The taxes levied on the parks will go up as the estimated value of those properties were grossly low.

The estimated values of these properties has nothing to do with the district -- The district doesn't set property appraisals - That is something the counties do and always have done. The notion that Disney was getting some sweetheart deal on taxes or values is myth.

These arrangements were set up in the 50's and are going away. The one with Disney is making all the news but five others are in the process of becoming obsolete

Again, total distortion of reality. 1 - This is not from the 50s (it's the 60s) 2 - The other districts caught in the state's net have nothing to do with being obselete or 'self governance'. The purpose of special districts is alive and well all over the country and serves a very specific benefit so that everyone doesn't shoulder the burden of the needs of a few.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Not exactly. THere is LOT to this and most don't really grasp all that is entailed. And many on the Disney sites have trouble divorcing themselves from their love of the parks. The taxes on those in the district are actually going down. Mostly due to cuts that are being made to services related to disney. The taxes levied on the parks will go up as the estimated value of those properties were grossly low. These arrangements were set up in the 50's and are going away. The one with Disney is making all the news but five others are in the process of becoming obsolete. Self governing for any corporation is rarely a good idea. It's made for some strange political bedfellows to say the least. Many democrats were calling for this to end not that long ago. So they are getting their wish though maybe from a source not expected

Nothing like replying to a year old post with incorrect information.

 

[LAKid53]

Nothing like replying to a year old post with incorrect information.

I'm sorry, "arrangements set up in the 1950s"?

Does he not know DLR didn't open until 1955...in California?

 

[MagicRat]

This site is clearly on the campaign trail against RDS- their prerogative, but I come to this site to see news about the happiest place on earth. If I want political mud slinging (and I’m a very political person) I’ll stick with X. I guess I need to give in and delete this because this is NOT Disney news

As someone who has had his posts removed for backhanded quips at RDS (the Florida Governor), Bud Light and other perceived work agendas in the sunshine state, I can 100% tell you this site plays it down the middle.

I even once asked how something else on the other side was allowed to play through and received a very thoughtful private message. I will continue to still be a smart..s on this board because I find current situations laughable but seriously take no hard feelings for the moderator’s work or the website, they play it straight! This is a “no spin” zone!

 

[Nubs70]

I wonder, if you worked for Costco would you have to pay the membership fee to buy something from there. Would that be charged or considered a gift? How about if you worked for a Car Rental Company and part of the perk program was a large discount to rent a car for yourself or a family member? A gift?

The above is a transaction between private entities not between private and public.

The firefighters fall under governmental employees and WDW is private and could now be considered a political entity based on Chapek's second statement pertaining to the DSG bill.

Below is from the gift statutes of Florida:

(b) A political committee is prohibited from giving, directly or indirectly, any gift to a reporting individual or procurement employee or a member of his or her immediate family

 

[Stripes]

The above is a transaction between private entities not between private and public.

The firefighters fall under governmental employees and WDW is private and could now be considered a political entity based on Chapek's second statement pertaining to the DSG bill.

Below is from the gift statutes of Florida:

(b) A political committee is prohibited from giving, directly or indirectly, any gift to a reporting individual or procurement employee or a member of his or her immediate family

There were no GIFTS exchanged. A transaction was made whereby a public entity paid a private entity for services rendered. And Disney is not a “political committee.” Their prior CEO made an empty statement with no actions taken.

 

[flynnibus]

The above is a transaction between private entities not between private and public.

The firefighters fall under governmental employees and WDW is private and could now be considered a political entity based on Chapek's second statement pertaining to the DSG bill.

Below is from the gift statutes of Florida:

(b) A political committee is prohibited from giving, directly or indirectly, any gift to a reporting individual or procurement employee or a member of his or her immediate family

Oh Come on... someone making political statements or campaigning does not make you a 'political committee' -- which is a very specifically defined legal entity.

Disney isn't taking contributions to campaign with. SMH...

 

[lazyboy97o]

The above is a transaction between private entities not between private and public.

The firefighters fall under governmental employees and WDW is private and could now be considered a political entity based on Chapek's second statement pertaining to the DSG bill.

Below is from the gift statutes of Florida:

(b) A political committee is prohibited from giving, directly or indirectly, any gift to a reporting individual or procurement employee or a member of his or her immediate family

Kudos on at least coming up with an original bad take.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Lots of new clowns fresh out of clown college. Wonder how they found their way here? Mods are gonna be busy.

It’s the articles on the main site. The comments link to this thread.

 

[cranbiz]

Not exactly. THere is LOT to this and most don't really grasp all that is entailed. And many on the Disney sites have trouble divorcing themselves from their love of the parks. The taxes on those in the district are actually going down. Mostly due to cuts that are being made to services related to disney. The taxes levied on the parks will go up as the estimated value of those properties were grossly low. These arrangements were set up in the 50's and are going away. The one with Disney is making all the news but five others are in the process of becoming obsolete. Self governing for any corporation is rarely a good idea. It's made for some strange political bedfellows to say the least. Many democrats were calling for this to end not that long ago. So they are getting their wish though maybe from a source not expected

Property value is set by the Orange County tax assessor and the Osceola County tax assessor, not by the district. Taxes going down are due to changes in the mill rate, which is set by the district based on the anticipated budget. CFTOD is cutting things to make themselves look like they care and are fiscally responsible, which they are not. What they said about taxes was window dressing, It's not going to happen.

The other districts caught in the mess also now have members appointed by the Governor but the impact to those districts are far different than the impact to RCID. None of them are going away, they can't. They provide a means of taxing the constituents of the district over and above what the county can do by state constitution. In the case of RCID, it provided infrastructure and services that the county would have to provide if it didn't exist AND would have to provide out of the taxes it raises from all taxpayers AND at the millage rate the county is limited to by state law.

The district was set up in the 70's, not the 50's. It was reviewed in the early 2000's and found legal and beneficial to the TWDC and also to Orange County, Osceola County and the State of FL.

The reason it did not go away and was only renamed with an appointed, non landowner BOD was because if it did go away, Orange and Osceola counties would have become responsible for the district debt.

 

[lazyboy97o]

CFTOD is cutting things to make themselves look like they care and are fiscally responsible, which they are not. What they said about taxes was window dressing, It's not going to happen.

The big cuts announced by the District are not happening because they are cuts they cannot make. They somehow thought they could use a press release to pressure the cities into cutting their taxes and services.

The other districts caught in the mess also now have members appointed by the Governor but the impact to those districts are far different than the impact to RCID.

The other districts set for dissolution did not have their boards changed.

The district was set up in the 70's, not the 50's. It was reviewed in the early 2000's and found legal and beneficial to the TWDC and also to Orange County, Osceola County and the State of FL.

The District was first set up in the 60s which is also when it was upheld by the state Supreme Court. The 2004 report was written by OPPAGA (Office of Program Policy Analysis and Government Accountability) which is part of the legislature; it is not a court and while they may advise on issue of legality they lack the authority to make such rulings.

 

[whobdis]

Property value is set by the Orange County tax assessor and the Osceola County tax assessor, not by the district. Taxes going down are due to changes in the mill rate, which is set by the district based on the anticipated budget. CFTOD is cutting things to make themselves look like they care and are fiscally responsible, which they are not. What they said about taxes was window dressing, It's not going to happen.

The other districts caught in the mess also now have members appointed by the Governor but the impact to those districts are far different than the impact to RCID. None of them are going away, they can't. They provide a means of taxing the constituents of the district over and above what the county can do by state constitution. In the case of RCID, it provided infrastructure and services that the county would have to provide if it didn't exist AND would have to provide out of the taxes it raises from all taxpayers AND at the millage rate the county is limited to by state law.

The district was set up in the 70's, not the 50's. It was reviewed in the early 2000's and found legal and beneficial to the TWDC and also to Orange County, Osceola County and the State of FL.
. The reason it did not go away and was only renamed with an appointed, non landowner BOD was because if it did go away, Orange and Osceola counties would have become responsible for the district debt.

The district was set up in May of 1967. And the taxes are going down due to anticipated budget buy why do you think that is? The rest may be accurate I don't know. But it's irrelevant to my point and to the original post that stated costs/tax for residents would increase. Disney is yet another corp that's taken advantage of their situation. They are in this to make money and make their shareholders happy.

 

[LAKid53]

The above is a transaction between private entities not between private and public.

The firefighters fall under governmental employees and WDW is private and could now be considered a political entity based on Chapek's second statement pertaining to the DSG bill.

Below is from the gift statutes of Florida:

(b) A political committee is prohibited from giving, directly or indirectly, any gift to a reporting individual or procurement employee or a member of his or her immediate family

That little prohibition really put a crimp in the parties big lobby firms threw before session.

 

[LAKid53]

Mmmmmm seems to be many fresh faces today singing the same tune..... couldn't be a conspiracy now could it?

Some kids still haven't returned to school and are bored...

 

[LAKid53]

WDW is private and could now be considered a political entity based on Chapek's second statement pertaining to the DSG bill.

That's not what constitutes a political entity....

 

[LAKid53]

The district was set up in May of 1967. And the taxes are going down due to anticipated budget buy why do you think that is? The rest may be accurate I don't know. But it's irrelevant to my point and to the original post that stated costs/tax for residents would increase. Disney is yet another corp that's taken advantage of their situation. One would have to be an idiot to think otherwise. They are in this to make money and make their shareholders happy. And maybe stop attacking those who think differently than you...it's for the small minded (see what I did there). Take your mouse ears off and have a good day

Taken advantage of exactly WHAT situation? If the District didn't exist, Orange and Osceola Counties would be required to provide all the services the District currently does. And all the infrastructure necessary to build the parks...roads, water, waste, sewage, etc. And guess who pays for that? Every single homeowner in the two counties. Disney would have come out ahead, financially, if the District had been abolished because by statute the counties must assume the obligations.

 

[mmascari]

And the taxes are going down due to

Who do you think pays taxes to the district?

Exactly who is having their taxes go down?

 

[flynnibus]

Who do you think pays taxes to the district?

Exactly who is having their taxes go down?

One born every minute...

"taxes went down!"

Gets his bill... sees actual tax bill went up... because property taxes ain't just your millage rate buddy

 

[LAKid53]

One born every minute...

"taxes went down!"

Gets his bill... sees actual tax bill went up... because property taxes ain't just your millage rate buddy

 

[lazyboy97o]

One born every minute...

"taxes went down!"

Gets his bill... sees actual tax bill went up... because property taxes ain't just your millage rate buddy

Or in this case where one government actually announced that another government should cut their taxes.