Possible Frontierland expansion

[Bocabear]

Have you ever actually done it? It's fantastic.

Yes! a couple times with friends that wanted to do it...the second time just reinforced what I thought the first time...
I am sure it is great if you have toddlers and all they want to do is meet a princess, but the actual details of the experience, aside from Maurice's cottage and the mirror effect are thoroughly underwelming. The interior design of the spaces is lackluster and not up to Disney quality. The Lumiere and Madam Wardrobe animatrinics are cute, but the whole storyline and production are ridiculous...and when you thin that it actually could have been a real ride it makes this much sadder.

 

[Master Yoda]

Which is around 6..

If you would like to present exact CM staffing numbers for each attraction I will be happy to adjust my numbers and I can all but guarantee you that the guest per hour to CM ratio of the meet n greets will be worse than all but a select few attractions.

 

[Goob]

Yes I have. And my family would rather it have been a dark ride. But they're not into meet and greet type things.

 

[peter11435]

If you would like to present exact CM staffing numbers for each attraction I will be happy to adjust my numbers and I can all but guarantee you that the guest per hour to CM ratio of the meet n greets will be worse than all but a select few attractions.

You're not wrong about meet and greets at all. Not arguing that point. From a guest to labor standpoint meet and greets are horrible.

But most e-ticket attractions require more cast members than you think. Especially to run efficiently.

 

[EPCOTCenterLover]

I'm looking forward to doing Enchanted Tales- but I do think it would have made a great queue for a full on B&TB "E Ticket" attraction.

 

[Bocabear]

You're not wrong about meet and greets at all. Not arguing that point. From a guest to labor standpoint meet and greets are horrible.

But most e-ticket attractions require more cast members than you think. Especially to run efficiently.

plus the sizable cash outlay for construction which is way more than the increased staffing will ever get close to.

 

[Bocabear]

The last Meet N Greet I went to was a while back... it was Tinkerbelle and friends. There was Tinkerbelle, some fairy dressed in red, a photographer and 2 handlers plus someone standing in the queue...It took about around 45 minutes to get to see the fairies, the set was non-existant except for a couple leaves, and they were of course making money from the photographs... so that is bringing money into the bottom line that also reduces the overall operational expenses... I am afraid as long as the Sheeple keep applauding these types of things, this will be the future of the Magic Kingdom...

 

[Kman101]

Have you ever actually done it? It's fantastic.

Fantastic?

I get little kids like it, and they have their fans, but fantastic? The animatronics used are. But storytime with Belle and cardboard cut outs is fantastic? To each their own I guess LOL

 

[Bocabear]

Fantastic?

I get little kids like it, and they have their fans, but fantastic? The animatronics used are. But storytime with Belle and cardboard cut outs is fantastic? To each their own I guess LOL

Yeah I agree, even from a fan standpoint, FANTASTIC is a little over the top...

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Fantastic?

Yes, I think Enchanted Tales with Belle is fantastic. I consider it an attraction, not a meet-and-greet. I hate meet-and-greets, and won't do them outside of my daughter's absolute favorite, Moana. But Enchanted Tales with Belle has two of my favorite AAs in all of WDW along with one of my favorite special effects. I know most people are "too cool" to participate in the story telling, but I enjoy it. People get hung up on the fact that you walk through the attraction instead of boarding a ride vehicle, but that doesn't bother me tat all.

 

[Kman101]

Yes, I think Enchanted Tales with Belle is fantastic. I consider it an attraction, not a meet-and-greet. I hate meet-and-greets, and won't do them outside of my daughter's absolute favorite, Moana. But Enchanted Tales with Belle has two of my favorite AAs in all of WDW along with one of my favorite special effects. I know most people are "too cool" to participate in the story telling, but I enjoy it. People get hung up on the fact that you walk through the attraction instead of boarding a ride vehicle, but that doesn't bother me tat all.

OK.

 

[Bocabear]

Yes, I think Enchanted Tales with Belle is fantastic. I consider it an attraction, not a meet-and-greet. I hate meet-and-greets, and won't do them outside of my daughter's absolute favorite, Moana. But Enchanted Tales with Belle has two of my favorite AAs in all of WDW along with one of my favorite special effects. I know most people are "too cool" to participate in the story telling, but I enjoy it. People get hung up on the fact that you walk through the attraction instead of boarding a ride vehicle, but that doesn't bother me tat all.

Well... you are easy to please and the perfect demographic for what TDO is trying to do to the parks.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Well... you are easy to please and the perfect demographic for what TDO is trying to do to the parks.

It's a single attraction, not some cataclysmic trend.

 

[MisterPenguin]

If we're talking about expensive real estate and replacing ETwB with an E-Ticket... then shouldn't we do that with all the other non-E-Ticket attractions? Tear out Dumbo and Tea Cups and Carousel for E-Tickets?

 

[CaptainAmerica]

If we're talking about expensive real estate and replacing ETwB with an E-Ticket... then shouldn't we do that with all the other non-E-Ticket attractions? Tear out Dumbo and Tea Cups and Carousel for E-Tickets?

How about that damn castle or Spaceship Earth? Definitely not E-tickets.

 

[Macca250]

How about that damn castle or Spaceship Earth? Definitely not E-tickets.

I reckon we just stick a load of coaster track overhead (fix the supports in the middle of the pathways as appropriate) and there's your latest E-ticket! Bet there'll be some folk on here that'll say something ridiculous like scaffolding and coaster track ruin the aesthetics of the park or something

 

[Kman101]

If we're talking about expensive real estate and replacing ETwB with an E-Ticket... then shouldn't we do that with all the other non-E-Ticket attractions? Tear out Dumbo and Tea Cups and Carousel for E-Tickets?

Didn't realize it was wrong to want rides :/

 

[toeknee]

M&Gs is also a source of impulse-based revenue. As was mentioned earlier, photos ... but also autograph books and pens. M&Gs score well with parents of younger children - no height restrictions, its not a scary dark ride, provided a personal magical moment for the family, etc.

 

[Bocabear]

How about that damn castle or Spaceship Earth? Definitely not E-tickets.

Actually Spacship Earth is an E Ticket attraction... E-Ticket does not mean Roller Coaster.
The castle is placemaking.... The Dumbo and Tea Cups have been around since the beginning and are fine... We actually lost a real ride to add more Princess Hug Zone... Also there is enough real estate we shouldn't have to tear out any rides to add more.
Regarding adding coaster track and calling it the latest E Ticket, I will again say, Coaster does not an E ticket make.

 

[MrHappy]

It's a single attraction, not some cataclysmic trend.

Ha, good one Cappy! I agree with your take here. Yes, I was a little thrown off at the cut-outs and general concept the first time. But I think it's well done for an unusual concept.