Possible Attraction in France pavilion (Epcot) Update - new Attraction Greenlit

jaxonp

jaxonp

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marni1971 said:
Did you take into account ride capacity? Did you take into account Fastpass plus? Park demographics? Is that how you came to "most popular?"

Swan Boats used to have a wait for them too.
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You can't honestly tell me that if we were to take a general survey of which ride the general public the 99.9% of the people that go to the parks, not the people on this board, that TSMM, FEA & SDMT would not come out on top? Of course FEA and SDMT do not have great hourly capacity. People aren't running to ride BTM in the morning. People aren't running to ride ToT or RnRC in the morning. We do know where they are running though. Again, I'm just asking what makes an E-ticket vs D-ticket and all I've got so far is hourly capacity and more theming.. Is Soarin not an E-ticket but Spaceship Earth is?
 
GoofGoof

GoofGoof

Premium Member
jaxonp said:
I completely disagree about this E-ticket classification. If the three most popular attractions, TSMM, FEA & SDMT aren't E-tickets than something is wrong with the system. They may not be enclosed in a giant mountain but the masses choose to ride them over anything else in each park. They aren't my favorite attraction by any stretch, but I see the value they bring and as to why they are so popular. I have been highly critical of FEA but there is no doubt those animatronics are incredible. The ride system is old and terrible, no doubt, but one could argue the ride system for Spaceship earth to be old, noisy and rickety and many believe that to be an E-ticket.
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No. E-ticket is not decided just by popularity although that is one factor. Popularity is not measured just by wait time either. A rides like HM or Pirates generally have less of a wait than Dumbo or Peter Pan or a Princess Meet and Greet but they are true E-tickets without any room for argument. Is the Safari at AK not an E-ticket because the lines are usually not very long? Ride capacity factors in. The number of people who ride those rides in a day exceeds TSMM even though the wait is less.

In my mind the scope of the ride, technological advancements and scale of show scenes and/or thrill level all factor into the ticket levels. Most E tickets are highly popular since they are the grandest rides and super headliners for the parks but the fact that they are popular doesn't automatically make them an E-ticket.

Another way to look at is to compare rides against each other. Compare Frozestrom to Splash Mountain. I think mostly anyone will agree that those 2 rides should not be in the same ticket class. Compare Mine Train to either BTMRR or EE. They clearly shouldn't be in the same ticket level. Compare TSMM to HM or another classic E-ticket dark ride. You get the point. The only way those 3 rides are E tickets is if a whole bunch of others get promoted to F;)
 
GoofGoof

GoofGoof

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jaxonp said:
according to wiki ..
The phrase E ticket (or E ticket ride) refers to the admission ticket system used at the Disneyland and Magic Kingdom theme parks before 1982, where the E ticket (officially termed "E coupon") admitted the bearer to the newest, most advanced, and/or most popular rides and attractions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E_ticket
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That's history. Those tickets are long gone. The Es were the prices higher to recover the higher cost to build. In today's Disney the term E ticket is used to describe the scope and scale of the attraction with E being the highest and D being the next tier down.
 
Skipper of the SEA

Skipper of the SEA

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jaxonp said:
Tell me how there is more theming in BTM


You can't honestly tell me that if we were to take a general survey of which ride the general public the 99.9% of the people that go to the parks, not the people on this board, that TSMM, FEA & SDMT would not come out on top? Of course FEA and SDMT do not have great hourly capacity. People aren't running to ride BTM in the morning. People aren't running to ride ToT or RnRC in the morning. We do know where they are running though. Again, I'm just asking what makes an E-ticket vs D-ticket and all I've got so far is hourly capacity and more theming.. Is Soarin not an E-ticket but Spaceship Earth is?
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Are you kidding me? People always have been running to Tot & RRC...

You can live in an alternate reality, but you're seriously trying to change the definition.

And BTW Big Thunder is longer than Seven Dwarfs Mine Train. Both are impeccably themed, but Big Thunder is still far more loved than SDMT.

You are essentially saying that Peter Pan is an E-ticket, while The Haunted Mansion is a C or D ticket.:hilarious: because of wait times. Hate to break it to you, but far more people enjoy The Haunted Mansion than Peter Pan and roughly 6 times the amount of people go and ride it.


These are generally the rides that are deemed E-tickets at the parks.
You also have Super-Headliners like Splash Mountain, Kilimanjaro Safaris, and Tot that are in another league.

EPCOT
Spaceship Earth (Headliner)
Soarin'
Test Track
Mission: Space (not super popular though eh?)
(Possibly Living With the Land, but since it is very outdated it most likely is deemed a D-ticket at this point).
Magic Kingdom
Splash Mountain (Headliner)
Space Mountain
Big Thunder Mountain
The Haunted Mansion
Pirates of the Caribbean
Jungle Cruise
Animal Kingdom
Kilimanjaro Safaris (Headliner)
Expedition Everest
Dinosaur
Flight of Passage
Hollywood Studios
The Tower of Terror (Headliner)
Rock n' Rollercoaster
The Great Movie Ride
Star Tours
Toy Story Midway Mania! (Usually deemed an E-ticket)

Pardon me if I forgot some, but just so you know... that puts Buzz, Frozen, Mine Train, Na'vi River Journey, and Kali as D-tickets.
 
EPCOTCenterLover

EPCOTCenterLover

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TSMM, FEA, and SDMT are clearly D tickets when compared to true E tickets such as Pirates, Mansion, BTMRR, Tower of Terror, Splash, Everest, Safaris, Indiana Jones Adventure and Radiator Springs Racers. (Not mentioning any overseas parks' attractions here.) I'd say the system's not broken. We've just let Disney suits, marketing, and a newer fan base get away with calling those D Tickets E Tickets, thus requiring less from Disney and allowing them to get away with delivering inferior product.
 
marni1971

marni1971

Park History nut
Premium Member
jaxonp said:
You can't honestly tell me that if we were to take a general survey of which ride the general public the 99.9% of the people that go to the parks, not the people on this board, that TSMM, FEA & SDMT would not come out on top?
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Maybe. Maybe not.

PotC has huge queues. So does SSE.

Popularity and/or queue time does not equal E ticket by itself. WDW Peter Pans Flight is not an E.

Avlands boat ride is sure to have long lines. But is a D.

The topic of ride classification has been discussed many times in the past. If you're interested try a thread search before this one derails any more.
 
jaxonp

jaxonp

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marni1971 said:
Maybe. Maybe not.

PotC has huge queues. So does SSE.

Popularity and/or queue time does not equal E ticket by itself. WDW Peter Pans Flight is not an E.

Avlands boat ride is sure to have long lines. But is a D.

The topic of ride classification has been discussed many times in the past. If you're interested try a thread search before this one derails any more.
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I did and it's interesting how people change their definition over time..

http://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/whats-your-definition-of-an-e-ticket.842349/
 
marni1971

marni1971

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jaxonp

jaxonp

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It's interesting the schools of thought on E-ticket... They are all over the place, which was my original question and then other posters started comparing TSMM, FEA and SDMT them to gems such as PotC and HM which are honestly quintessential Disney so it's silly to even compare to them.
 
jaxonp

jaxonp

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marni1971 said:
Then perhaps take this discussion - and any answers to the replies you got above - to that thread to avoid more off topic postings. Got to keep these boards clean and all that.
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Well that is how we got to this discussion after all.. a poster was stating Rat was not E-ticket worthy so then I asked, what was an E-ticket...
 
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Ripken10

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Skipper of the SEA said:
So now you know. Let's end it there.
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My "new" rule for off-limits topics to talk to people - never talk to people about religion, politics or their definition of what an E ticket is. These are subjects everybody believes they are right on, will never truly listen when you don't agree with them, but most will say they are listening when you say that to them.
 
larryz

larryz

I'm Just A Tourist!
Premium Member
Ripken10 said:
My "new" rule for off-limits topics to talk to people - never talk to people about religion, politics or their definition of what an E ticket is. These are subjects everybody believes they are right on, will never truly listen when you don't agree with them, but most will say they are listening when you say that to them.
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Oh, and saving space on a parade route. That's a hot button for sure.
 

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