DManRightHere
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Very good point you get knives at table restaurants. Maybe they need to fix this by pre cutting all food to bite size pieces and serving with spoons.
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Pocket knives at the parks
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flynnibus
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So can your hands.. fists.. rocks.. purses.. shoes.. etc. People looking to do harm will do it with whatever they have on them. It doesn't mean we should start enforcing everyone to wear boxing gloves because there have been documented instances of fist fights.
EOD K9
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So I carry a Gerber Multi Tool (shameless plug) in my backpack in the park. It has a small knife, scissor, two screw drivers and pliers. It has come in handy for minor adjustments over the years. Am I using it as a weapon? No, its a tool. If I need that for self defense at the park, I'm in a lot of trouble.
Mr. Pricklepants
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add to flynnibus list ...pvc pipes in epcot center
flynnibus
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But do we classify pools as 'weapons'?
flynnibus
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Well done
xdan0920
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It's how you wind up with someone telling you a rock is a more effective weapon then a knife or a gun.
AndyS2992
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Look around, this isn't much of a discussion. This is a bunch of knife owners thinking they are superior and making sarcastic comments to people who disagree with them without actually listening and trying to understand others point of view. 'I take a knife to a family friendly theme park and I don't care what you think' is basically the tone of this thread. Why start it if OP is not willing to listen to those with opposing views but ridicule them instead. This is not a discussion but a one sided love-in.
flynnibus
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A 'collective cultural perception' that is very vocal, but isn't necessarily representative of the country as a whole... especially depending on what part of the country you are in.
You're basically trying say 'because we are more vocal.. you have to accept it' - sorry, doesn't work that way.
slappy magoo
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Nnnnnot really, but if it makes you feel better for you to think bringing up that people USED to always have guns in the house and kids didn't die, except for the times that they did but it's not germane to your point so I'm a jerk for bringing it up, whatevs.
Did you encourage them bringing said items to WDW? Then, no.
My "fear about coexistence" is the steadfast belief that everyone, once in a while, is stupid. They let their guard down, they're tired, they're sick, they're depressed, they're not in their right mind. And while it doesn't mean they're going to go up the proverbial church tower and start firing, it does mean they might not act as responsible with a weapon in their possession as they think they always are, much like some people to this day think they drive better after they've had a few because it loosens them up, improves their reflexes. My wife talk about having a gun in the house because she always imagines the scenario where she sees the bad guy coming, she gts to her gun and loads and aim and fires before he knows what happened and she's the hero. I imagine every other scenario - he finds the gun before she even knows he's in the house; she fires the gun but hits one of our kids; she has the gun but he manages to get it away from her and uses it on her and our kids and me; that he's there to rob the place but only because he doesn't think anyone is home and the only thing that escalates it into a deadly scenario is the fact that WE introduce a gun into the equation. All equally valid scenarios, but she only sees the vigilante justice one.
How do you know? After all, unless they're hanging the vial on a hook on their pocket, you have no idea what people are walking around with that can kill you, so let's just allow all manner of deadly weapon into WDW. Doesn't seem so crazy to me. And it also seems like the guy who insists bringing up the lack of dead kids from gunfire despite kids dying from gunfire in the past is germane to the discussion isn't the one to determine what is or isn't asinine topics to bring into the conversation.
xdan0920
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I think way more park guests would be in the no knives in the parks camp, then the some knives are okay camp. But, since neither of us is about to conduct a poll, I think we may just have to agree to disagree on this one.
Mr. Pricklepants
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like I was hinting at before, I would be more worried with someone aiming a slingshot at me and had a handful of stones than carrying a pocketknife. Slingshot vs. a gun? i would take the gun unless i'm in a quarry and the other guy has bad aim.
slappy magoo
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The guy whose screen name is a character who tried to take over the planet would like us all to stop engaging in over the top rhetoric regarding violence, everybody.
You will need to ask @BigTxEars who compared the two.
slappy magoo
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What I'm primarily considering is what Disney determines is a weapon on their property.If you consider a pocket knife in the same realm as these weapons then your example makes sense. But of course it's not in the same realm. Like I said I do not carry a gun at WDW because they said they do not allow them to be carried there. I agree to that "rule" when I go, my choice fullyHeck in Texas it's the law regarding amusement parks. But considering a 3" pocket knife a weapon is just plain silly IMO.
Were you at my house, and I found out you had a knife, I probably wouldn't make a big deal about it but I might ask that you not bring it over next time. If you had a problem respecting that, then we probably would ake for decent acquaintances but lousy friends.
And I'm sure in our litigious age, what Disney's most worried about is not you getting all stabby, but some li'l mischief maker seeing the hook and deciding it'd be fun to try to pick your pocket, and what you'd do if you caught him, or what HE'D do if he succeeded.
GeneralZod
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Case in point.
UncleMike101
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"A rock is every bit an effective weapon as a sharp or pointed object."
Here's my exact quote.
Please refrain from embellishing my statements.
It makes you sound like some of the people in Washington.....
Yup....
I've been carrying daily since 1971, and I will continue to do so.Well he can take his rock to the fight, I am bringing a gun
Honestly I have been carrying firearms daily concealed since 1994, I have never had anyone spot that I am. If someone is doing it even half way correctly you would never know. I only bring it up to say that to folks in areas where it's legal you are around guns everyday and you do not even know it.
In fact I just qualified last Thursday...
The only places that I don't carry are, Federal Buildings, Commercial aricraft, and WDW.
Murderer!!!!
Criminal!!!
Evilmonger!!!
Oh wait......
You're one of the Good Guys.....
Never mind...
flynnibus
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There you go again changing the words to make your point. I never said 'kids didn't die' - so please stop it with the strawmen.
So being in WDW... somehow redefines knives to be made for stabbing (your statement). Here you go making overbearing generalizations and then try to cover your tail with a scope change.. nope sorry.
And that same person somehow becomes violent because they had a pocket knife at their disposal... and in the parks went after who? Let's go back through the dependencies for your situation and recap which are required for it to happen. Unless we are talking about the cursed blade from some D&D book... I don't see the pocket knife in the guy's pocket being the reason they 'crossed over' nor was it the gating thing that without it they could not have.
Alas it does seem crazy to the rest of the world who could read the posts instead of putting their own filters on them.
slappy magoo
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Well I just thought it darling in the first place that you thought this wasn't becoming an argument BEFORE I started making my witty yet astute points.
DManRightHere
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I could say the same about non knife owners. I use my pocket knife almost everyday for misc tasks and I've never had to stab or threaten anyone with it. I've had to prepare myself one time at night when I heard a growling dog coming at me, but luckily he kept his distance.
When I hear "leave the knife at home, it has no purpose at Disney World, period" I just completely disagree. I'll follow the rules, I just don't think ALL knives are considered weapon, small general pocket knives are tools.
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xdan0920
Think for yourselfer
Nope....
Effective merely means it functions well as a weapon.
A rock is every bit an effective weapon as a sharp or pointed object, plus, it doesn't rely on shaping or sharpening to accomplish the task.
Nor does it misfire, or run out of projectiles, as some other objects do.
A weapon is ANY object that can be picked up by a human being.
That's how we bested the other beasts in the battle for supremacy of the food chain.
Your addition of the word plus, with what follows indicates your intent. A rock is more effective because....It doesn't misfire, or run out.
Putting that aside though, it's just as insane to say a rock is AS effective as it is to say it's more effective. We are talking about fractional levels of wrongness.
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