Pocket knives at the parks

[flynnibus]

I pretty much agree with all this. Anything CAN be a weapon. And your typical run of the mill nut job intent on injuring people will find a way. But, that's not really the point.

No its very much relevant. What turns your kitchen knife from a dangerous tool.. into a murder weapon? The person wielding it with the intent to hurt someone else.

What changes an airplane from a transportation device into a war machine? The people using it with the intent of hurt someone else.

People fear knives because they ARE dangerous. I can't even begin to see how that is debatable

Electricity is dangerous
Natural gas is dangerous
A razor blade is dangerous
A car is dangerous

What takes something from being dangerous to something that causes you concern? People you don't trust or people being irresponsible.

If I brought a nugget of natural uranium into a room... people would probably freak out. It's because they associate uranium with unsafe radiation and uses that require great amounts of protection. They have no other point of reference... so they assume it's dangerous and it's presence is causing them harm. When in fact they are simply ignorant of the difference between uranium found in the wild, or even used for nuclear fuel... vs enriched or spent fuel.

The same thing happens with knives... when you condition people so their own point of reference with something is crime, they will always associate that object with crime and be fearful of it.

 

[xdan0920]

Nope....
Effective merely means it functions well as a weapon.
A rock is every bit an effective weapon as a sharp or pointed object, plus, it doesn't rely on shaping or sharpening to accomplish the task.
Nor does it misfire, or run out of projectiles, as some other objects do.
A weapon is ANY object that can be picked up by a human being.
That's how we bested the other beasts in the battle for supremacy of the food chain.

Sweet!

You just saved our country BILLIONS of dollars. We can now arm our soldiers with ROCKS! Rocks, never misfire, imagine the fear we will be striking into our enemies now, with our non-misfiring ROCKS! ROCKS!

 

[LucyK]

I support you, unless it's that one with the corkscrew, you could really mess someone with that corkscrew

It has around 9 different tools, including a corkscrew and *GASPS* a 2 inches blade knife, oh and a small pair of scissors as well. I never saw it as a weapon, just as a tool.

 

[BigTxEars]

Sweet!

You just saved our country BILLIONS of dollars. We can now arm our soldiers with ROCKS! Rocks, never misfire, imagine the fear we will be striking into our enemies now, with our non-misfiring ROCKS! ROCKS!

Nope, have equal firepower is a key component to winning an armed conflict, be it on the battlefield, in your house at 2am or on the streets of an American city.

 

[GeneralZod]

https://disneyworld.disney.go.com/faq/parks/restricted-personal-items/ I don't see a problem with bringing a wagon, nor do I see the harm in an adult dressing up in a princess dress but the rules are there for a reason. I don't allow people to bring dogs to my home, my kids aren't used to having them around so wouldn't know how to react properly. My house, my rules. It's amazing how lots of people are pushing others to see their point of view yet fail to comprehend why others refuse to. But as we say here "only in A'me'rica"

No one is contesting that they have the right to ban whatever they want. It is simply a discussion on the interpretation or spirit of the rule. To many of us, common-sense would say that a 2 or 3" pocket knife is in no way a weapon and so doesn't apply.

 

[flynnibus]

It has around 9 different tools, including a corkscrew and *GASPS* a 2 inches blade knife, oh and a small pair of scissors as well. I never saw it as a weapon, just as a tool.

I guess you can cross the UK off your places to live.. unless you want to be considered a deviant for wanting to keep a tool in your purse.

 

[BigTxEars]

It has around 9 different tools, including a corkscrew and *GASPS* a 2 inches blade knife, oh and a small pair of scissors as well. I never saw it as a weapon, just as a tool.

Aghhhhhhhhh! An that magnifying glass, you could start a fire with that death ray!

Speaking of the Swiss.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/14/world/europe/14swiss.html?_r=0

Any crimes waves in Switzerland that I missed lately?

 

[xdan0920]

No its very much relevant. What turns your kitchen knife from a dangerous tool.. into a murder weapon? The person wielding it with the intent to hurt someone else.

What changes an airplane from a transportation device into a war machine? The people using it with the intent of hurt someone else.



Electricity is dangerous
Natural gas is dangerous
A razor blade is dangerous
A car is dangerous

What takes something from being dangerous to something that causes you concern? People you don't trust or people being irresponsible.

If I brought a nugget of natural uranium into a room... people would probably freak out. It's because they associate uranium with unsafe radiation and uses that require great amounts of protection. They have no other point of reference... so they assume it's dangerous and it's presence is causing them harm. When in fact they are simply ignorant of the difference between uranium found in the wild, or even used for nuclear fuel... vs enriched or spent fuel.

The same thing happens with knives... when you condition people so their own point of reference with something is crime, they will always associate that object with crime and be fearful of it.

Listen, I get what you are saying. But, it doesn't matter. You are arguing against a collective cultural perception. Things are what they are. And the perceived danger of a knife in a theme park, far outweighs it's usefulness.

 

[BigTxEars]

No one is contesting that they have the right to ban whatever they want. It is simply a discussion on the interpretation or spirit of the rule. To many of us, common-sense would say that a 2 or 3" pocket knife is in no way a weapon and so doesn't apply.

Unless Chuck Norris is carrying it, then it's a WMD

 

[xdan0920]

Nope, have equal firepower is a key component to winning an armed conflict, be it on the battlefield, in your house at 2am or on the streets of an American city.

Except, he said a rock is MORE effective then guns or knives.

 

[BigTxEars]

Listen, I get what you are saying. But, it doesn't matter. You are arguing against a collective cultural perception. Things are what they are. And the perceived danger of a knife in a theme park, far outweighs it's usefulness.

Perceived is right, I have to see any real world evidence that it has been a problem in the past

 

[Mr. Pricklepants]

Sweet!

You just saved our country BILLIONS of dollars. We can now arm our soldiers with ROCKS! Rocks, never misfire, imagine the fear we will be striking into our enemies now, with our non-misfiring ROCKS! ROCKS!

Someone has either never heard of David vs Goliath or has never used a slingshot.

 

[PhotoDave219]

Well there you nailed it... its what the person's INTENT. If I bring a leatherman because I want to have a screwdriver and a blade... its because I want the tool. It's not a weapon to me. And as we've demonstrated, the chances of this tool becoming a weapon because someone else now and their intention is harm it is comical.

So if the leatherman in my pocket is a tool, and the reason I have it is because it's a tool... does it really matter if in the hands of some criminal it could be used as a weapon? Because the chances of it getting out from me are minor, and the chances of having someone with criminal intent being there waiting to find a leatherman to pursue their crimes is effectively zero.

If the person brings in a pocket knife because they want to defend themselves... you would be right for concern. But who in their right mind wears a pocket knife for self-defense??

Exactly. It's a person's intent.

No one will use a pocket knife or a leatherman for self defense.

It's the people who are so high string on needing something for "self defense" or "protection" inside a Disney theme park that worry me. This is the last place people should worry about needing to defend themselves.

IMO anyways

 

[BigTxEars]

Except, he said a rock is MORE effective then guns or knives.

Well he can take his rock to the fight, I am bringing a gun

Honestly I have been carrying firearms daily concealed since 1994, I have never had anyone spot that I am. If someone is doing it even half way correctly you would never know. I only bring it up to say that to folks in areas where it's legal you are around guns everyday and you do not even know it.

 

[xdan0920]

Someone has either never heard of David vs Goliath or has never used a slingshot.

Why do you say this?

 

[thomas998]

That is not what I said.

On the contrary, its the thought of one being picked up by someone who knows exactly how to use it.

And I take nothing sharp from my kitchen to a theme park. That would be stupid.

I'm not any more afraid of the person with a mind to create mayhem whether there was a chance of 50 knives being randomly dropped every day or none.... those intent on creating mayhem are going to do so regardless of the ability to find a swiss army knife or not.

 

[Master Yoda]

Kids getting ahold of guns and having accident is in direct relations to the fear we as a society have of exposing kids to guns. They are curious when they find them, they don't understand them and then you get an accident. I di not know it was loaded being the most common occurrence. Or I took the magazine out but I did not know there was a round chambered. I thought it was on safe, etc. All of these are basic mistakes easily resolved with just minutes of training.

Which is not required to own a gun in the US, hence the problem.

 

[GeneralZod]

Which is not required to own a gun in the US, hence the problem.

We better get off this topic, but I just had to say..."shall not be infringed". Responsible people already take measures to make certain things like this don't happen. Irresponsible people will always be irresponsible.

Anyway...back to those menacing pocket knives!!

 

[BigTxEars]

Exactly. It's a person's intent.

No one will use a pocket knife or a leatherman for self defense.

It's the people who are so high string on needing something for "self defense" or "protection" inside a Disney theme park that worry me. This is the last place people should worry about needing to defend themselves.

IMO anyways

Well it is a personal preference thing I agree. But if you want to start listing places where guns could have saved lives like college campuses and movie theaters then you have to think those type of places are not where one would think personal protection would be an issue either.

Is there anything more sad than Ft Hood? Thousands of soldiers and they have to hide from a lone gunman (twice no less) because they are not allowed to carry firearms on base.....on a Army base... insane.

 

[AndyS2992]

Perceived is right, I have to see any real world evidence that it has been a problem in the past

On March 7, 1981, an 18-year-old man was fatally stabbed with a knife during a fight in Tomorrowland.

It doesn't state what kind of knife it was but a pocket knife can cause fatal injury if used in such situation and angry state of mind.