Pocket knives at the parks

[BigTxEars]

Which is not required to own a gun in the US, hence the problem.

Nor is owning a swimming pool, want to list those accidental deaths?

 

[slappy magoo]

It's you trying to make the words into something that isn't there. I said 'kids survived' not 'every kid survived' or 'there never were accidents'.

Then I don't see the point of bringing it up at all. Kids survive households with guns in them NOW, but you brought up that it used to happen. Makes no sense.

I was speaking to the notion raised here that something people perceive as 'dangerous' can not or should not coexist with something people want to be safe. Presumably everyone wants to believe their home or household is safe.. and yet, we fill them with items that are 'dangerous' and could kill you or any number of people. Yet we do it, and condition ourselves how to live day to day around such dangerous things by learning safety, proper use, etc.

And some items' primary purpose is dangerous. Maybe a small knife's primary function is one of utility, but knives are generally built for stabbing, guns for shooting, poisons for poisoning. I think most people know not to handle poison but I'd bet if you discovered the person in front of you at Boma had a vial of rat poison on his person, you'd want to know is up, why he thought it was necessary to keep rat poison on him ("Hey man, I'm an exterminator and you never know when you might see a rodent. I saw a huge one at the Magic Kingdom the other day, a least 6 feet tall!!") and at the very least you'd probably try to get ahead of him in line.

For crying out loud...we pipe flammable gas into our homes and then put a and electronic ignition right there where it could blow up an entire neighborhood block! But we do it and don't think twice about it because we raise our families to know how to use these tools and not be afraid of them.

Well than perhaps there shouldn't be any restrictions on weapons at all on private property. Guns, grenades, flame throwers, as long as you have any necessary purposes it's all good in the World!

Constrast this with the mentality of 'bubble world' which is we should remove all possible risks because of extreme corner cases... and in the process no one learns how to properly handle these risks.. instead we just breed more fear through lack of understanding or familiarity.

In my experience, ignorance is not limited to safety issues with the average 'Murkan.

I'm sure some people would think keeping a 8ft high pile of manure on your property is unhealthy and dangerous to the environment... but that's because they have no experience with composting or using it as fertilizer. People fear what they do not understand.

I'd fear the 8 foot tall pile of fertilizer less if I knew you owned a farm. Or at least a big garden. If you lived in an apartment where the basement was double bolted, I'd wonder if you were using the fertilizer for other purposes. Just like I'm sure some of John Wayne Gacy's neighbors thought he was a nice guy but questioned his need for all the trenches and lime in his basement.

I think you'd find it hard to find any evidence in this thread of people challenging Disney's right to make the ground rules on their property. That isn't what is contested.

That's great, but it does make all the arguing pointless, Disney's house, Disney's rules.

 

[BigTxEars]

On March 7, 1981, an 18-year-old man was fatally stabbed with a knife during a fight in Tomorrowland.

It doesn't state what kind of knife it was but a pocket knife can cause fatal injury if used in such situation and angry state of mind.

Wow 33 years x 30,000,000 guest a year = 990,000,000 guest and this one incident? Yeah that is just a horrible trend going on there.

 

[Hakunamatata]

Me I conceal carry two firearms at the parks and y'all hippies will have to pry them from my cold dead hands.

I like you.

 

[Pumbas Nakasak]

I blame the spoiled tea.

 

[Master Yoda]

We better get off this topic, but I just had to say..."shall not be infringed". Responsible people already take measures to make certain things like this don't happen. Irresponsible people will always be irresponsible.

True. It would just be nice if we could screen out a few of the irresponsible ones.

 

[Hakunamatata]

Wow 33 years x 30,000,000 guest a year = 990,000,000 guest and this one incident? Yeah that is just a horrible trend going on there.

I bet more people die of natural causes on property than any weapon....

 

[BigTxEars]

Then I don't see the point of bringing it up at all. Kids survive households with guns in them NOW, but you brought up that it used to happen. Makes no sense.



And some items' primary purpose is dangerous. Maybe a small knife's primary function is one of utility, but knives are generally built for stabbing, guns for shooting, poisons for poisoning. I think most people know not to handle poison but I'd bet if you discovered the person in front of you at Boma had a vial of rat poison on his person, you'd want to know *** is up, why he thought it was necessary to keep rat poison on him ("Hey man, I'm an exterminator and you never know when you might see a rodent. I saw a huge one at the Magic Kingdom the other day, a least 6 feet tall!!") and at the very least you'd probably try to get ahead of him in line.

Well than perhaps there shouldn't be any restrictions on weapons at all on private property. Guns, grenades, flame throwers, as long as you have any necessary purposes it's all good in the World!

If you consider a pocket knife in the same realm as these weapons then your example makes sense. But of course it's not in the same realm. Like I said I do not carry a gun at WDW because they said they do not allow them to be carried there. I agree to that "rule" when I go, my choice fully Heck in Texas it's the law regarding amusement parks. But considering a 3" pocket knife a weapon is just plain silly IMO.

 

[AndyS2992]

Wow 33 years x 30,000,000 guest a year = 990,000,000 guest and this one incident? Yeah that is just a horrible trend going on there.

Yes one incident reported. Just because there are no other reports doesn't mean it hasn't happened. That person that commit suicide by jumping off the contemporary the other day didn't make the news but doesn't mean it didn't happen.

 

[Hobnail Boot]

As someone who carries a pocket knife all day every day, I thought this was a good point:

Spend any time on a farm or rural area and more people will probably have a pocket knife in their pocket then car keys. And it's nothing to do with 'defending yourself'.. it's just part of what you keep handy just like some people keep tissues in their car, sunglasses, gloves, or extra ketchup packets.

I live in south Georgia, born and raised here. I've had a pocket knife on me every day since some time in high school (not in school, obviously) and just about all my friends carry one. After I finish getting dressed in the morning, I grab my wallet, watch, keys and knife. It's just habit now. I use it to open boxes at work, when I'm fishing, or other random daily stuff. It's definitely a tool for just about everyone around here and I feel naked if I don't have it on me.

With that said, I do leave my knife in the room when I head to the parks. There have been times when I grab it out of habit when getting ready, and security even stopped me once because they noticed the outline in my pocket. The guard simply asked to see it and I was on my way. I was fine with it because it let me know they are paying attention. I don't take it in the parks because I won't need it, but I understand where people are coming from who bring them in the parks.

 

[BigTxEars]

True. It would just be nice if we could screen out a few of the irresponsible ones.

Ever filled out a 4473? They do.

 

[Master Yoda]

Nor is owning a swimming pool, want to list those accidental deaths?

Hence the number of laws requiring safety measures be taken when you have a pool.

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0500-0599/0515/0515.html

 

[GeneralZod]

I bet more people die of natural causes on property than any weapon....

Or Mission Space.

 

[BigTxEars]

Yes one incident reported. Just because there are no other reports doesn't mean it hasn't happened. That person that commit suicide by jumping off the contemporary the other day didn't make the news but doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Well I am not sure we should consider it an "example" if we have no fact to post

 

[BigTxEars]

Or Mission Space.

Oh man that messes me up when I go on it!

 

[AndyS2992]

Well I am not sure we should consider it an "example" if we have no fact to post

So you are basically saying the suicide didn't happen just because I can't pull up a news article?

 

[flynnibus]

Then I don't see the point of bringing it up at all. Kids survive households with guns in them NOW, but you brought up that it used to happen. Makes no sense.

It does make sense.. it illustrates the coexistance is possible and that the issues about it now are about sensitivity, not necessarily practicality.

And some items' primary purpose is dangerous. Maybe a small knife's primary function is one of utility, but knives are generally built for stabbing, guns for shooting, poisons for poisoning

So... you think giving a knife to a cub scout is encouraging him to go stab things? Or that when I gave my daughter an air pistol I was encouraging her to go out and harm people with it?

These biases you demonstrate are exactly what fuels this fear about coexistence.

I think most people know not to handle poison but I'd bet if you discovered the person in front of you at Boma had a vial of rat poison on his person, you'd want to know *** is up, why he thought it was necessary to keep rat poison on him ("Hey man, I'm an exterminator and you never know when you might see a rodent. I saw a huge one at the Magic Kingdom the other day, a least 6 feet tall!!") and at the very least you'd probably try to get ahead of him in line.

When you start seeing people keep rat poison in their pocket daily so they can handle life's little tasks.. you let us know.. until then, your analogy sucks.

 

[Master Yoda]

Ever filled out a 4473? They do.

Wow. A form. Whats next? A pinkie swear?

 

[slappy magoo]

Kids getting ahold of guns and having accident is in direct relations to the fear we as a society have of exposing kids to guns. They are curious when they find them, they don't understand them and then you get an accident. I di not know it was loaded being the most common occurrence. Or I took the magazine out but I did not know there was a round chambered. I thought it was on safe, etc. All of these are basic mistakes easily resolved with just minutes of training.

Sure, that's the only reason why gun accidents occur. Never because people get angry, or drunk, or otherwise impeded so they think they can handle a gun better than they actually can. It's all cleaning accidents and the proverbial One In The Chamber.

I have kids ranging from 11 to 19, not a day have they lived in a house without a lot of guns. They all learned to shoot early on in life. I do not fear my kids finding a gun because they fully understand them and what they are capable of.

I'm sure your children are incredibly responsible and respectable to the power that a gun can possess in right or wrong hands. And the world is full of people who also think they're that responsible. And maybe, usually, they are. Until they aren't.

Most fear of guns if from people who do not understand them in my experience. Like I said earlier I can understand that, but knives I have no ideal how people eat dinner with them and yet still fear them.

What people tend to fear are other people who feel the need to go into crowded conditions on private property with a knife. Unless you're always eating. Then people might fear you'll eat them, I don't know.

 

[GeneralZod]

Then I don't see the point of bringing it up at all. Kids survive households with guns in them NOW, but you brought up that it used to happen. Makes no sense.



And some items' primary purpose is dangerous. Maybe a small knife's primary function is one of utility, but knives are generally built for stabbing, guns for shooting, poisons for poisoning. I think most people know not to handle poison but I'd bet if you discovered the person in front of you at Boma had a vial of rat poison on his person, you'd want to know *** is up, why he thought it was necessary to keep rat poison on him ("Hey man, I'm an exterminator and you never know when you might see a rodent. I saw a huge one at the Magic Kingdom the other day, a least 6 feet tall!!") and at the very least you'd probably try to get ahead of him in line.



Well than perhaps there shouldn't be any restrictions on weapons at all on private property. Guns, grenades, flame throwers, as long as you have any necessary purposes it's all good in the World!



In my experience, ignorance is not limited to safety issues with the average 'Murkan.



I'd fear the 8 foot tall pile of fertilizer less if I knew you owned a farm. Or at least a big garden. If you lived in an apartment where the basement was double bolted, I'd wonder if you were using the fertilizer for other purposes. Just like I'm sure some of John Wayne Gacy's neighbors thought he was a nice guy but questioned his need for all the trenches and lime in his basement.




That's great, but it does make all the arguing pointless, Disney's house, Disney's rules.

ugh...please stop using over the top sensationalism. That is what turns things from a discussion into an argument.