Pocket knives at the parks

[UncleMike101]

No doubt, and their silent until they get you in the heel!

Everytime I see someone jump after getting hit by one of those I think of the guy Rosa Klebb stabbed with her poison shoe knife in From Russia With Love.

 

[englanddg]

Amuricah specifically wants international tourists, Obama addressed that in his speech in 2012 (at WDW). What they don't show you in the adverts on TV in the UK is the rural farmboys with their utility tools popping them in their trousers and heading into Disney.

Utarded Kingdom. I am really glad that the only rural "farmboys" in the UK are in Scotland. Right? Right?

In all seriousness, you seem to respect any culture except ours. And, regardless of what you think, the US is not "without culture". In fact, culture is our primary export, and guess what, the World is buying it up in droves.

How trendy of you.

BY STATE LAW, a multitool or pocket knife is NOT considered a weapon.

BY FEDERAL LAW, we are not allowed to import Kinder Surprise. Why? Because they are considered a danger to children and a choking hazard.

That's right...THESE are illegal to bring into the country (so don't try to bring them over).

You may feel that our customs and culture are non-existant, but that is blatantly false and offensive.

 

[BigTxEars]

Lol!

Actually, Georgia honors a Texas permit... I just got curious and double checked.

Yep I checked a couple years ago when we were thinking of driving. But then I remembered I had kids and that ideal went away.

But I can drive from Texas to Florida and each state along the way honors a Texas CCW permit.

 

[englanddg]

Magoo's actually right here.

In the instant example, just because the Florida Supreme Court has reached one definition for "weapon" as applies to the statutory definition of aggravated robbery does not forestall the Walt Disney Company from applying its own rules of guest behavior that apply a different definition for the word "weapon".

Nor would that supreme court decision prevent you, if you owned a house in Florida, deciding that green baseball caps were, in your mind, "weapons," and forbidding anyone from bringing a green baseball cap into your house.

Well, he said the "parking lot". Not in the building.

My suspicion is the court ruling deemed, that whilst the parking lot is technically private property, it is not subject to security, and therefore does not trump the legal right to carry. In other words, they deemed it "public property".

I strongly suspect the hospital, however, would clearly be within their rights (and probably still does not) to not allow guns past their front doors.

 

[englanddg]

I kid...

In the 1980s when about 10,000,000 people moved here from Detroit it took me years to have them stop calling a soda a "pop"....we fixed them after a while though

I love my northern neighbors! Well except those from Pittsburgh....but that's based on the Oiler vs Steeler rivalry of the 70s and 80s.

That's because the Steelers are a better franchise.

 

[englanddg]

But does it apply to their offices?

Yeesh, beat me to it.

 

[BigTxEars]

Utarded Kingdom. I am really glad that the only rural "farmboys" in the UK are in Scotland. Right? Right?

In all seriousness, you seem to respect any culture except ours. And, regardless of what you think, the US is not "without culture". In fact, culture is our primary export, and guess what, the World is buying it up in droves.

How trendy of you.

BY STATE LAW, a multitool or pocket knife is NOT considered a weapon.

BY FEDERAL LAW, we are not allowed to import Kinder Surprise. Why? Because they are considered a danger to children and a choking hazard.

That's right...THESE are illegal to bring into the country (so don't try to bring them over).

You may feel that our customs and culture are non-existant, but that is blatantly false and offensive.

I have nothing but respect for the U.K., their people and culture. It is a huge part of who America is today. And their part in the defense of freedom in the 1900s is without question something to be greatly admired. I still think as a American they are one of our strongest ally. Noting but love for the U.K. from me

That being said they are a socialist nation and many of their laws are just so against the core of my personal beliefs that I really have a hard time understanding how people live under them. But I would bet everything I own that many there feel the same about what I believe. So it's all personal opinion in the end.

 

[BigTxEars]

That's because the Steelers are a better franchise.

They are, no doubt.

Still hate them though!

 

[allgiggles]

I haven't read through all 18 pages of this thread, but I would like to add clothes pin to the list of Disney World weapons if it isn't there already. Here's why:

A few years ago we arrived at Disney World early in the afternoon. We basically threw our luggage in our room and jumped on the bus to Epcot. During the ride to Epcot my husband realized he still had his small 2-3" pocket knife in his pocket (we drive to Disney). It was just a cheap one so he said he'd just throw it away when we got to Epcot. I told him not to worry about it -- just keep it in his pocket and no one would even know he had it with him. We get to the bag check line and he took the kids and went through the "no bags" entrance (with the knife in his pocket) while I went through the bag check with my small bag. For some reason, the gentleman checking my bag felt the need to do a thorough search (at 4:00 on a Sunday afternoon when there were a total of about 5 people going through the bag check lines). While digging around in my small bag (seriously -- it was about 6" x 8") he found a clothespin. I liked to keep one in the bag because they come in handy for odd things. He asked me why I had a clothespin in my bag. I thought he was joking so I said, "Well, I have 5 kids and one of them is bound to spill something on their shirt within 10 minutes of us entering the park so this way I can wash it out in a fountain and use the clothespin to hang it on something to dry while we walk around the park. Or I can use it on my nose so I don't have to smell Rome burning." (I have a dry sense of humor). He didn't flinch and said, "I need to know what your intentions are with this clothespin." I still didn't think he was serious but gave a better answer explaining that I liked to have it to hold receipts together, hold a torn rain poncho together, etc. He then informed me that clothespins can be considered a weapon and it was within his rights to confiscate it. Confiscate a *clothespin*????? I still thought he was joking. I asked him how it was considered a weapon -- what could be done with it that was threatening to someone? He told me that it can be dismantled and the metal spring portion can be used to detonate a bomb. I assured him that was not my intention and that if he wanted the clothespin, he could gladly have it. This incident took several minutes to get through but he did finally let me proceed into the park *WITH* that oh-so-dangerous clothespin. The entire time this was happening, I just wanted to say, "See that guy over there with the 5 impatient kids? Yeah, he's got a freakin' KNIFE in his pocket and you're giving me the 3rd degree and acting like I'm out to hurt someone because you found a CLOTHESPIN in my bag." We now tour the parks bag free.

 

[jlsHouston]

I always have my tiny swiss army classic knife on me since it is on my keys. This is a tool, not a weapon. If I tried to use this knife as a weapon it would cause me more harm that my victim due to possible fold back. I can't see that being a problem in the park. I would leave my larger folding lock blade utility knife at home but the swiss army one is always with me.

I have had a pocket knife since I was like six years old in Cub Scouts. I agree anything can be a weapon and there are certain objects used for defense and offense, but a standard pocket knife is not one of them. My keys and key chain would be a better weapon used a flail. Or a shopping bag with a few oranges inside.

Or my purse.... seriously I would have to accept that security was comfortable enough once he questioned the OP and examined the knife to let the man enter the park with it put away out of sight.
I know so many many men that carry that carry pocket knives including that red one on a key chain but maybe it's my age group and I am in NW Houston, but the men I know are from all 48 states. Maybe it's my industry but I have 7 years selling commercial truck tires and the past 12 in trucking so....
Are people uncomfortable with knives in public places? Sure because there are nutcases out there and no one is going to take their loved ones to a place like WDW if they feel intimidated and threatened by other guests who may have entered the park with intent to do harm. But banning pocket knives is not necessarily going to keep a violent person from showing up with one.

LOCAL
Man Stabbed At Disney
August 15, 1994
A man was arrested Saturday night and charged with stabbing another man during a fight at Walt Disney World.Deputies said Darnell Michael Taylor, 34, of Boynton Beach stabbed Michael Nehme Rmeiti, 30, of Lake Worth three times with a pocket knife. He was charged with aggravated battery and remained in the Orange County Jail Sunday night on $2,500 bail.Taylor and Rmeiti had gotten into an argument earlier that night. Later, Rmeiti and his brother confronted Taylor, deputies said. Taylor told deputies he felt overpowered and so he stabbed Rmeiti in self-defense.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/keyword/charged-with-stabbing/recent/4

So ha. Angry man in possession of a pocket knife stabbed someone THREE times.

On the hunt for more examples.

Okay this is not a good example. For instance the guy had a pocket knife but he didn't pull it out when he was arguing one on one, he pulled it out when it became 2 against one.

I am sorry but where I come from, equalizers of all sort are permitted.

 

[BigTxEars]

I haven't read through all 18 pages of this thread, but I would like to add clothes pin to the list of Disney World weapons if it isn't there already. Here's why:

A few years ago we arrived at Disney World early in the afternoon. We basically threw our luggage in our room and jumped on the bus to Epcot. During the ride to Epcot my husband realized he still had his small 2-3" pocket knife in his pocket (we drive to Disney). It was just a cheap one so he said he'd just throw it away when we got to Epcot. I told him not to worry about it -- just keep it in his pocket and no one would even know he had it with him. We get to the bag check line and he took the kids and went through the "no bags" entrance (with the knife in his pocket) while I went through the bag check with my small bag. For some reason, the gentleman checking my bag felt the need to do a thorough search (at 4:00 on a Sunday afternoon when there were a total of about 5 people going through the bag check lines). While digging around in my small bag (seriously -- it was about 6" x 8") he found a clothespin. I liked to keep one in the bag because they come in handy for odd things. He asked me why I had a clothespin in my bag. I thought he was joking so I said, "Well, I have 5 kids and one of them is bound to spill something on their shirt within 10 minutes of us entering the park so this way I can wash it out in a fountain and use the clothespin to hang it on something to dry while we walk around the park. Or I can use it on my nose so I don't have to smell Rome burning." (I have a dry sense of humor). He didn't flinch and said, "I need to know what your intentions are with this clothespin." I still didn't think he was serious but gave a better answer explaining that I liked to have it to hold receipts together, hold a torn rain poncho together, etc. He then informed me that clothespins can be considered a weapon and it was within his rights to confiscate it. Confiscate a *clothespin*????? I still thought he was joking. I asked him how it was considered a weapon -- what could be done with it that was threatening to someone? He told me that it can be dismantled and the metal spring portion can be used to detonate a bomb. I assured him that was not my intention and that if he wanted the clothespin, he could gladly have it. This incident took several minutes to get through but he did finally let me proceed into the park *WITH* that oh-so-dangerous clothespin. The entire time this was happening, I just wanted to say, "See that guy over there with the 5 impatient kids? Yeah, he's got a freakin' KNIFE in his pocket and you're giving me the 3rd degree and acting like I'm out to hurt someone because you found a CLOTHESPIN in my bag." We now tour the parks bag free.

Not to laugh at your experience but that is funny. Sounds like a power trip for the young CM

 

[englanddg]

I have nothing but respect for the U.K., their people and culture. It is a huge part of who America is today. And their part in the defense of freedom in the 1900s is without question something to be greatly admired. I still think as a American they are one of our strongest ally. Noting but love for the U.K. from me

That being said they are a socialist nation and many of their laws are just so against the core of my personal beliefs that I really have a hard time understanding how people live under them. But I would bet everything I own that many there feel the same about what I believe. So it's all personal opinion in the end.

I adore the UK. I seriously looked at moving there several years ago (sent out CVs, looked into jobs and how to get through the Visa process, etc...), because I think, call it socialist or whatever, they do a lot of things right in their culture. I don't mind the gun ban or laws. I don't mind NHS.

However, I do find that classifying a simple small pocketknife or a multitool as a dangerous and threatening weapon to be incredibly ludicrous. However, if I were there, and it's against their laws and customs, I wouldn't carry mine.

I would take issue if someone came into the parks with a huge knife strapped to their leg. Croc Dundee aside, a large knife is not something you'd need or use everyday, but a penknife or a multitool? Get real...

And, while I made the comment that we export culture (we do)...so do they. Ahem...just look at the Fox lineup...Ramsay, Ramsay, Ramsay.

Our appetite for BBC shows is enormous (and, the American Versions of the Ramsay shows stink, for the record). Evidence, Top Gear and Doctor Who.

Yep, I have no problem with other people or other cultures. But, what I find offensive, is to say that "everyone should respect other's cultures" and then blatantly disrespect ours.

I am far from "rah rah America", but the hypocrisy and arrogance blows my mind.

 

[EOD K9]

Right. And, a lot of people don't know this, but there's an easy override keypress combo for those safes, and people at most hotels know what it is.

The safe will protect your valuables from a casual thief, but not a determined one.

 

[Master Yoda]

Actually, I could see it passing constitutional muster if the license process, similar to that, were applied to the purchase of ammo, instead of limiting the firearms.

That is an interesting angle I had not thought of.

 

[BigTxEars]

I adore the UK. I seriously looked at moving there several years ago (sent out CVs, looked into jobs and how to get through the Visa process, esc...), because I think, call it socialist or whatever, they do a lot of things right in their culture. I don't mind the gun ban or laws. I don't mind NHS.

However, I do find that classifying a simple small pocketknife or a multitool as a dangerous and threatening weapon to be incredibly ludicrous. However, if I were there, and it's against their laws and customs, I wouldn't carry mine.

I would take issue if someone came into the parks with a huge knife strapped to their leg. Croc Dundee aside, a large knife is not something you'd need or use everyday, but a penknife or a multitool? Get real...

And, while I made the comment that we export culture (we do)...so do they. Ahem...just look at the Fox lineup...Ramsay, Ramsay, Ramsay.

Our appetite for BBC shows is enormous (and, the American Versions of the Ramsay shows stink, for the record). Evidence, Top Gear and Doctor Who.

Yep, I have no problem with other people or other cultures. But, what I find offensive, is to say that "everyone should respect other's cultures" and then blatantly disrespect ours.

I am far from "rah rah America", but the hypocrisy and arrogance blows my mind.

No doubt, U.K. culture around the world far outweighs their size as a nation IMO. Lots of American T.V. is stolen from the U.K.

And come on I mean...

how awesome is he?

But I could never live there. I just prefer a more independent lifestyle. Not a fan of cradle to grave government involvement, we have enough of that here already.

 

[Hakunamatata]

That is an interesting angle I had not thought of.

Why do you think the govt has been buying so much ammo?

 

[EOD K9]

I haven't read through all 18 pages of this thread, but I would like to add clothes pin to the list of Disney World weapons if it isn't there already. Here's why:

A few years ago we arrived at Disney World early in the afternoon. We basically threw our luggage in our room and jumped on the bus to Epcot. During the ride to Epcot my husband realized he still had his small 2-3" pocket knife in his pocket (we drive to Disney). It was just a cheap one so he said he'd just throw it away when we got to Epcot. I told him not to worry about it -- just keep it in his pocket and no one would even know he had it with him. We get to the bag check line and he took the kids and went through the "no bags" entrance (with the knife in his pocket) while I went through the bag check with my small bag. For some reason, the gentleman checking my bag felt the need to do a thorough search (at 4:00 on a Sunday afternoon when there were a total of about 5 people going through the bag check lines). While digging around in my small bag (seriously -- it was about 6" x 8") he found a clothespin. I liked to keep one in the bag because they come in handy for odd things. He asked me why I had a clothespin in my bag. I thought he was joking so I said, "Well, I have 5 kids and one of them is bound to spill something on their shirt within 10 minutes of us entering the park so this way I can wash it out in a fountain and use the clothespin to hang it on something to dry while we walk around the park. Or I can use it on my nose so I don't have to smell Rome burning." (I have a dry sense of humor). He didn't flinch and said, "I need to know what your intentions are with this clothespin." I still didn't think he was serious but gave a better answer explaining that I liked to have it to hold receipts together, hold a torn rain poncho together, etc. He then informed me that clothespins can be considered a weapon and it was within his rights to confiscate it. Confiscate a *clothespin*????? I still thought he was joking. I asked him how it was considered a weapon -- what could be done with it that was threatening to someone? He told me that it can be dismantled and the metal spring portion can be used to detonate a bomb. I assured him that was not my intention and that if he wanted the clothespin, he could gladly have it. This incident took several minutes to get through but he did finally let me proceed into the park *WITH* that oh-so-dangerous clothespin. The entire time this was happening, I just wanted to say, "See that guy over there with the 5 impatient kids? Yeah, he's got a freakin' KNIFE in his pocket and you're giving me the 3rd degree and acting like I'm out to hurt someone because you found a CLOTHESPIN in my bag." We now tour the parks bag free.

Was this clothespin the straight type or the one with the hinge? That makes the difference in how it is used as a weapon.

 

[englanddg]

Lol!

Actually, Georgia honors a Texas permit... I just got curious and double checked.

You...haven't seen Deliverance...have you.

 

[allgiggles]

Not to laugh at your experience but that is funny. Sounds like a power trip for the young CM

I didn't think it was funny when it was happening -- there was a lot of eye rolling and "are you kidding me" faces going on, but I do think it's funny now. And it was actually an older gentleman -- I suspect retired military, FBI, or something similar. I thought he looked like a sweet man that I could have a nice little conversation with while he was checking my bag. HA!!!

 

[cw1982]

You...haven't seen Deliverance...have you.

No.

Now I'm curious... I guess I know what I'll be looking into this weekend!