Pocket knives at the parks

[BigTxEars]

For safety reasons, I use a spoon to cut my food. Sporks under more extreme circumstances.

One of those little pointy parts could break off and get you in the eye!

 

[UncleMike101]

Ah good old Chuck. He is 74 years old and in all honesty is still a stud. I might be able to outrun a mad Chuck Norris, or at least I would try. I sure would not try to stand toe to toe with him!

He packs....
You'd have to outrun a .45 ACP.

 

[Animaniac93-98]

This has probably been mentioned, but WDW is a resort with a campsite and many of those guests may have pocket/swiss army knives on them as part of their general supplies. Would be easy for someone to forget they had one on them when leaving Fort Wilderness.

 

[englanddg]

A licence program similar to a drivers licence that must be periodically renewed and would requiring showing competency in gun safety, mental competence, etc. as well as closing of the loop holes such as gun shows, private sales, etc that circumvent the 4473.

But that will never happen as it would not be allowed per the 2nd amendment.

Actually, I could see it passing constitutional muster if the license process, similar to that, were applied to the purchase of ammo, instead of limiting the firearms.

 

[BigTxEars]

He packs....
You'd have to outrun a .45 ACP.

LOL yeah I am just plan on staying on the good side of Chuck.

 

[UncleMike101]

This has probably been mentioned, but WDW is a resort with a campsite and many of those guests may have pocket/swiss army knives on them as part of their general supplies. Would be easy for someone to forget they had one on them when leaving Fort Wilderness.

I think the new rules only allow Nerf knives at Fort Wilderness.

 

[GeneralZod]

Because all criminals lay in wait, waiting for the perfect weapon to be dropped or left behind......



From WDW's website:

You may not bring the following types of items into the theme parks:

• Weapons of any kind

And then we have this:

In L.B. v. State, 700 So. 2d 370, 373 (Fla. 1997), the Florida Supreme Court found that a knife with a "3 3/4-inch blade" constituted a "common pocketknife"...

...In 1951, the Attorney General of Florida opined that a pocketknife with a blade of four inches in length or less was a 'common pocketknife'."


So, going by Florida's laws, it's not a weapon when under 4 inches in length. Does Disney have the right to deny it? Sure, but just saying "weapons" is vague and open to interpretation.

Cased closed as far as I am concerned. This was all I was trying to say, but could not find the legal verbiage to quote. Disney is certainly welcome to tell me I cannot take a pocket knife into to the parks, but until then I will utilize common sense and stick to the the (obvious to me) spirit of the rule and potential carry my multi-tool into the parks. I will not however, carry my concealed pistol into the parks as the rule clearly states that that is prohibited.

 

[BigTxEars]

Actually, I could see it passing constitutional muster if the license process, similar to that, were applied to the purchase of ammo, instead of limiting the firearms.

A run around the 2nd A, it would indeed get traction in some parts of the country. Others it would die a flaming horrible death. In fact I think there are parts of the country where you already have to have a "permit" to buy ammo. I could be wrong. Only issue with ammo in Texas is finding it to buy, shelves are empty.

 

[englanddg]

Can we get a ruling from the crowd here on multi-tools? A multi-tool is just that...a tool.....a laptop is really only good for computing.

I carry my leatherman everywhere except to the water parks (where it stays in the locker with my bag).

I even carried it (GASP) on the Disney Fantasy (I was concerned they were not going to let me bring it on).

 

[Killnme]

I don't know why anyone would need to carry a knife, no matter how big or small it is, into Disney World. If you need to trim your fingernails or toenails, then a toenail clipper should do the job. If you need to open a package that you bought on Disney property then I would imagine some castmember would or should be available to help you open it. Just leave the knives at home. They aren't needed on Disney property and if I were a Disney security guard, I would conviscate your pocket knife. I've been going to Disney World twice a year for 20 years and I have never needed my pocket knive even though I carry mine at home every day.

I had to use mine on a wet day in the AK. My wife was using her scooter on the jungle trek when her poncho got caught in one of the wheels. So I pulled out my pocket knife and cut it free. I will always carry it on me.

 

[englanddg]

I personally wouldn't leave my sidearm in the hotel's lock box. There are too many CMs that have access to that area. I would however bring my gun lock and then lock it in the hotel room....and it would also come in handy to be locked in their safe if your room doesn't have one.

Right. And, a lot of people don't know this, but there's an easy override keypress combo for those safes, and people at most hotels know what it is.

The safe will protect your valuables from a casual thief, but not a determined one.

 

[BigTxEars]

Cased closed as far as I am concerned. This was all I was trying to say, but could not find the legal verbiage to quote. Disney is certainly welcome to tell me I cannot take a pocket knife into to the parks, but until then I will utilize common sense and stick to the the (obvious to me) spirit of the rule and potential carry my multi-tool into the parks. I will not however, carry my concealed pistol into the parks as the rule clearly states that that is prohibited.

Or one of these, it's a pen!

And a self defense weapon.

 

[Mouse_Trap]

Can't believe this has run to 17 pages already.

Disney's rules are pretty clear, no weapons allowed.

A multi-tool or pocket knife with a small blade is certainly not a weapon. It a tool. Sure, in the wrong hands and with the wrong intent, sure it can be used as a weapon....but then so can pretty much anything.
I can think of hundreds of perfectly legitimate reasons for having a tool in a park. How many people saying they should not be allowed have a nail clippers, tweezers, nail file etc on them???

Unless you are going to go with airport style security with full body scanners and baggage x-rays then there really is no chance of preventing prohibited items going in. Then of course you need to control all you employees and supplies going into each park also. (of course a small pocket knife or multi-tool is not on the prohibited items list either).

Here in the UK, we actually have what I consider sensible guidance on the difference between a tool and a weapon, hence what is permitted here and what is not:
A multi-tool or pocket knife with a folding blade of less than 3" is fine to be carried.
Something like a flick knife, gravity knife, butterfly knife is a weapon and is prohibited to be carried.

If you're ever in the UK, here is our law on knives:
https://www.gov.uk/find-out-if-i-can-buy-or-carry-a-knife
and our firearms law:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/firearms-law-guidance-to-the-police-2012

You know that our laws allow pocket knives/multi tools with a folding blade up to 3" to be carried. This is explicitly stated. I think you might also be surprised how many people regulary carry a multi-tool on their person.

A knife IS a weapon though. Even a 3 inch one is a weapon, and a deadly one at that. This being a family friendly board, I won't go into the hows and whys it's a weapon, but it is. A pen is not a weapon, it's a pen. Yes, someone can turn it into a weapon, but it's difficult and ineffective for the most part. A pocket knife is a weapon, I am not sure why this is some controversial stance.
There is a balance between something being useful and that same thing making guest uncomfortable and feeling in danger. Taking your smart phone example, the uses of the phone for the general pop, far outweigh the potential for danger/uncomfortableness. I fail to see how the same can be said of a pocket knife.

A knife is a tool, so is a pen. A knife can be used as a weapon, so can a pen. A ballpoint pen is actually surprisingly effective. With a little knowledge, most items can be used as a deadly weapon.

I guess you can cross the UK off your places to live.. unless you want to be considered a deviant for wanting to keep a tool in your purse.

Tools and folding knives with up to 3" blade are perfectly legal and acceptable to carry in the UK.......though most of the law on weapons here are draconian. For instance, you now have to be 18+ to legally buy cutlery or a butter knife!

On March 7, 1981, an 18-year-old man was fatally stabbed with a knife during a fight in Tomorrowland.

It doesn't state what kind of knife it was but a pocket knife can cause fatal injury if used in such situation and angry state of mind.

Equally it could have been with the plastic knifes available from any food service.

According to my VERY scientific statistical gathering of profile locations. If you are from the UK or Jersey you are against knives because you fear them an equate them to a weapon. If you are from Oklahoma, Texas, or Florida then you consider a 3" knife a tool and would never consider using it as a weapon (even in self-defense) and feel it (potentially) does not fall under the "No Weapons" policy.

Like we said...very telling.

I honestly don't think most people in the UK would consider a small multi-tool to be a weapon unless being held in such a manner.

I use my car key. One swift zip, it's as good as a knife to take merch tags off.

I dunno, my keys have no cut edges, they are all flat and smooth. Also I was always told not to use your car keys on things, apparently the metal is quite soft and can be quite easily damaged.

But I don't feel I should have to prepare them for the one in a million chance that security waived through a rule breaker. My kids don't need to know what guns and knives do as they are 8, 5 and 3. A game of stick 'em up with a toy gun just means "I'm pointing this as you and this has authority". I genuinely believe they don't know what it does (think Toy Story 3 opening scene role play). My 3 year old plays knights and stabs me with his pretend knife just under my armpit. He would do the same with a real one if found on WDW property as WDW is a fun place. It would be interesting to see what another forum with mainly non-Americans would think of those that carry knives. It would also be interesting to know what Disney actually class as a weapon in today's terms.

I really wouldn't worry about someone getting something into the parks that they shouldn't. The bag check is no more than a token check, they don't check the bags properly nor do they check your person. I guarantee you have stood in line hundreds of times next to someone who had a multi-tool or a pocket knife on them.

I do actually find it a little scary that your 3 year old doesn't know the difference between real and play toys. Maybe giving kids toy weapons before they know they difference is not such a good idea.

 

[BigTxEars]

All this talk of Chuck Norris, guns, knives and stuff and I am watching Philomena of all movies. Of course I would watch Judi Dench read the phonebook.

 

[Killnme]

You people want to talk weapons the biggest weapon at WDW is those damn double seated strollers. Those things in the wrong hands can kill you.

 

[BigTxEars]

You people want to talk weapons the biggest weapon at WDW is those damn double seated strollers. Those things in the wrong hands can kill you.

No doubt, and their silent until they get you in the heel!

 

[englanddg]

I don't mind differing opinions than mine, I just am not going to let some folks imply (without responding) that people who do choose carry a knife must be on the verge of violence. It's a silly stereotype IMO. Like I posted I don;t even bring a knife or firearm with me to Florida, so I am not carrying in the parks.

Now if we ever drive instead of fly I will bring a gun in the car. I saw Deliverance, I am not driving those those hillbilly states unarmed!

I kid...I kid...

<drawl>Coming from Texas you ain't gonna be drivin' through the North Georgia mountains, boy.</drawl>

 

[Clamman73]

I'm bringing my Leatherman next trip so I can fix any broken AA's...

 

[BigTxEars]

<drawl>Coming from Texas you ain't gonna be drivin' through the North Georgia mountains, boy.</drawl>

LOL I have seen all those movies bout those hillbillies, Deliverance, Wrong Turn 1-5, House Of Wax etc......I know what happens when you break down in those parts.......

I don't wanna squeal like a pig......I don't......

I think this thread has

 

[cw1982]

<drawl>Coming from Texas you ain't gonna be drivin' through the North Georgia mountains, boy.</drawl>

Lol!

Actually, Georgia honors a Texas permit... I just got curious and double checked.