Pleasure Island Changes

[Master Yoda]

If Disney is unable to find anyone to invest into the the area, they simply will have to do something with it, on their own. And it would make the most sense to reopen at least some of the clubs. Even if they have been gutted, they have the original plans. If they were to reimagine everything again, that would cost a lot more money, and time. So my guess is they might reopen at least some of them.
This of course won't happen if they can get 3rd parties involved, but considering most companies are cutting back, I think this is really bad timing on Disney's part.
If it remains in it's current state, you will see the stores and other companies there start to look to move out, or at least demand lower rents, I mean who wants to be around a big empty area?
Another factor will be, how effected is Disney going to be if Adults choose to go to Universal and spend their bucks at Citywalk?

The sad thing is that they don't have to do anything with them. I have lost count of the number of buildings in WDW that remain in a perpetual state of closure and/or occasional usage.

 

[GothMickey]

Another factor will be, how effected is Disney going to be if Adults choose to go to Universal and spend their bucks at Citywalk?

Adults already leave Disney to go to City Walk. Guess Disney management isn't to fazed by it.

 

[jt04]

Like I said, we will see if it cuts into their profits. Did you ever actually go to PI? There were a lot of adults there who had kids. They would just take turns with another couple they might have been traveling with to baby sit, or hire a baby sitter, or use one of the kids clubs.

You still haven't adressed what they would do with all that empty space if nobody comes to fill it? They will save money and bring back something familar.

Lets just put it this way. Right now what has appeared a more sucessful venture...Citywalk or Downtown Disney/PI/Marketplace?

As I have said, the island that was PI is a work in progress. It has always been presented as a long term project. If Disney can't find 3rd parties they will just imagineer some restaurants and attractions that are family friendly. Personally I think that is their best option anyway. A comparisson of DTD and CW will be more fruitful in 3 or 4 years. Although I have heard the CW is getting a "Burger King Bar" so I am not sure Disney can ever catch up.:lol:

 

[Club Cooloholic]

Why this push for more family restaurants? The whole place is family friendly, so why not have one place for adults? Am I wrong in thinking that 2 adults, planning to to go out for the night at a club are going to outspend a family of 4 hitting a Dino Restaurant?
Even if they have no kids and are not paying a sitter, they are still going to burn through cash at the bars buying 8 dollar mixed drinks with funny names, especially because they are in disney and dont have to drive home!
If Disney is going to go for cash, and I think they will after they realize THEY are the ones that will have to run these places, they will make them clubs.

 

[jt04]

Why this push for more family restaurants? The whole place is family friendly, so why not have one place for adults? Am I wrong in thinking that 2 adults, planning to to go out for the night at a club are going to outspend a family of 4 hitting a Dino Restaurant?
Even if they have no kids and are not paying a sitter, they are still going to burn through cash at the bars buying 8 dollar mixed drinks with funny names, especially because they are in disney and dont have to drive home!
If Disney is going to go for cash, and I think they will after they realize THEY are the ones that will have to run these places, they will make them clubs.

They are going to have places at DTD where adults can get "8 dollar mixed drinks with funny names". Not sure what you are talking about. Have you read the thread for at least a couple pages?:shrug:

 

[GothMickey]

Why this push for more family restaurants? The whole place is family friendly, so why not have one place for adults? Am I wrong in thinking that 2 adults, planning to to go out for the night at a club are going to outspend a family of 4 hitting a Dino Restaurant?
Even if they have no kids and are not paying a sitter, they are still going to burn through cash at the bars buying 8 dollar mixed drinks with funny names, especially because they are in disney and dont have to drive home!
If Disney is going to go for cash, and I think they will after they realize THEY are the ones that will have to run these places, they will make them clubs.

The biggest mistake was taking away the gates and allowing EVERYONE access into PI. That was the beginning of the downfall. I am sure Disney had a ton of complaints from parents after that regarding the behavior of club goers. That was the death knell for PI.

As far as clubs go, isn't the new Mexican place going to feature a night club after a certain time at night? Doesn't Bongo's offer the same thing?

And, did Disney really follow through on their threat to no longer allow heavy metal concerts in HoB in West Side?

 

[Club Cooloholic]

Although I have heard the CW is getting a "Burger King Bar" so I am not sure Disney can ever catch up.:lol:

At least it's the first. Is there anything at DD that is original and not a chain that you cannot go to in countless other cities? I mean are you going to counter with the really bland looking McDonalds? I have seen nicer ones in Brooklyn. How about the House of Blues...yeah haven't seen that EVERYWHERE. Maybe they can stick in another ESPN Zone, there are only a few dozen of those.

 

[GymLeaderPhil]

Interesting. Sometime around the last month of PI, I heard a similar rumor about a "mini PI" going in near AK, possibly with the Adventurers Club relocationg there. I'd since kind of dismissed this as a misunderstanding of Flamingo Crossing (unlikely, given the source was in a position to know better) or something connected to the proposed "Night Kingdom," but this sounds much more like what was described. Now I'm curious to see how far each of the four blue sky plans went.

I heard rumblings that they were going to open a retooled Pleasure Island district in the Western Way area as well.

 

[Club Cooloholic]

The biggest mistake was taking away the gates and allowing EVERYONE access into PI. That was the beginning of the downfall. I am sure Disney had a ton of complaints from parents after that regarding the behavior of club goers. That was the death knell for PI.

As far as clubs go, isn't the new Mexican place going to feature a night club after a certain time at night? Doesn't Bongo's offer the same thing?

And, did Disney really follow through on their threat to no longer allow heavy metal concerts in HoB in West Side?

Was there ever a reason given for why they took down the gates? I think the problem wasn't so much the club goers as it was the gangs of local teenagers that were suddenly hanging around and causing trouble.

 

[jt04]

At least it's the first. Is there anything at DD that is original and not a chain that you cannot go to in countless other cities? I mean are you going to counter with the really bland looking McDonalds? I have seen nicer ones in Brooklyn. How about the House of Blues...yeah haven't seen that EVERYWHERE. Maybe they can stick in another ESPN Zone, there are only a few dozen of those.

There is only a handful of HoB's, 1 Bongos, 2 T-rex's, 1 Raglin Road (I think) etc. There are only 6 or 7 ESPNZones. Again I am not sure what you are saying:shrug:

 

[GothMickey]

Was there ever a reason given for why they took down the gates? I think the problem wasn't so much the club goers as it was the gangs of local teenagers that were suddenly hanging around and causing trouble.

I am not sure why they removed the gates. Maybe someone else can come in here and tell us.

 

[Club Cooloholic]

They are going to have places at DTD where adults can get "8 dollar mixed drinks with funny names". Not sure what you are talking about. Have you read the thread for at least a couple pages?:shrug:

Yeah, nothing like getting drunk at an Applebys. Seriously, are you old enough to drink at bar? Nobody wants to get drunk in front of 12 yr olds.
Your going on and on about family restaurants. PI and CW offered a place to be an adult.

 

[GothMickey]

Yeah, nothing like getting drunk at an Applebys. Seriously, are you old enough to drink at bar? Nobody wants to get drunk in front of 12 yr olds.
Your going on and on about family restaurants. PI and CW offered a place to be an adult.

But I thought Disney World was the place where adults can be kids again? :ROFLOL:

 

[jt04]

Yeah, nothing like getting drunk at an Applebys. Seriously, are you old enough to drink at bar? Nobody wants to get drunk in front of 12 yr olds.
Your going on and on about family restaurants. PI and CW offered a place to be an adult.

Oh I see. Well not only is Disney getting out of the "club" business, I think it could be said they are also getting out of the "drunk" business. Most Adults can drink without getting drunk. So the question should really be, "are you old enough to drink at a bar?" Doesn't sound like it.

 

[Club Cooloholic]

But I thought Disney World was the place where adults can be kids again? :ROFLOL:

You make a good point. And I really should say that this getting too personal, with me being a large offender sorry jt. Guess it's just fun, and gets the blood pumping to debate.
Should we change the subject? Maybe...oh Cards/Steelers...Gotta go with the boys in black and mustard yellow.

 

[markc]

There is only a handful of HoB's, 1 Bongos, 2 T-rex's, 1 Raglin Road (I think) etc. There are only 6 or 7 ESPNZones. Again I am not sure what you are saying:shrug:

Wrong, There's over 12 Hob's, 2 Bongos, millions of Irish Pub's Restaurants in the country, and over 9 ESPN Zones.

 

[Club Cooloholic]

Oh I see. Well not only is Disney getting out of the "club" business, I think it could be said they are also getting out of the "drunk" business. Most Adults can drink without getting drunk. So the question should really be, "are you old enough to drink at a bar?" Doesn't sound like it.

Jt...you don't happen to hail from the land of canyons, ski slopes and magic underwear do you?

 

[GothMickey]

You make a good point. And I really should say that this getting too personal, with me being a large offender sorry jt. Guess it's just fun, and gets the blood pumping to debate.
Should we change the subject? Maybe...oh Cards/Steelers...Gotta go with the boys in black and mustard yellow.

Or we can stay on topic and continue to talk about Pleasure Island changes. Speaking of Super Bowl, ESPN Zone in DTD would go over great on Super Bowl Sunday :lookaroun hehehehehehe

 

[GothMickey]

Jt...you don't happen to hail from the land of canyons, ski slopes and magic undwearwear do you?

That place exists? Maybe it is jt's Tarabithia... :ROFLOL:

 

[jt04]

Wrong, There's over 12 Hob's, 2 Bongos, millions of Irish Pub's Restaurants in the country, and over 9 ESPN Zones.

So you are saying the "1 in every city" is an overstatement. Raglin Road is hardly just an "Irish Pub":ROFLOL:. I was pretty close on my estimates.