Please try to be courteous...

[Vegas Disney Fan]

Common courtesy would resolve 90% of these issues.

If I’m in a restroom and the only stall available is the large one I’m going to use it, I’ll check to make sure there’s no one that obviously needs it first but if I don’t see anyone I’m going to use it. “Obviously needs it” isn’t limited to disabled people either, I’ve let people in obvious distress ”cut” many times, no reason to make a little kid or even an adult have an accident to save a couple minutes, unless you also desperately need to go.

Many Disney restrooms only have 3 or 4 stalls in the men’s room, and most also have lines, so leaving 25-33% of the capacity unused, on the off chance a disabled person comes in, makes absolutely no sense.

If they happen to come in when it’s in use it means a couple minute wait, just like everyone else, assuming the other people in line do the right thing and also check to make sure there isn't someone who needs it.

 

[mergatroid]

In the context of Walt Disney World, many (I’d even go as far to say most given the extent of renovations) of the group restrooms actually have two handicapped stalls. Every discussion of who should be afforded accommodation has some element of who actually qualifies as disabled enough to warrant accommodation. Calling the wheelchair accessible stall “the handicapped stall” is a reflection of the incorrect idea that accessibility is focused around wheelchair users.


I didn’t bring up Florida’s provision for a sink to discuss legality. I brought it up to highlight a circumstance that I don’t think is really being considered. It’s not a mobility specific accessibility feature. I assume you’d judge a healthy young adult with a young toddler using the wheelchair accessible stall while someone in a wheelchair was waiting if you learned that the changing table was inside the stall. The circumstances of the stall’s design changed your assessment of who should use it. The sink is not just intended for those with mobility issue so it too should change your assessment of who should and should not use the stall.

You don’t think there’s some sort of value judgement at play if there are two things but you only acknowledge the existence of one? If the wheelchair accessible stall is the handicapped stall then what is the ambulatory accessible stall? Part of the moral assessment is clearly rooted in the idea that there is only one stall available when there is in fact often two stalls. And if you’re going to compare toilets to something like parking then why discard the ratio used to assign parking? If only 2% of parking is set aside as accessible why should 10% - 20% of toilets be set aside?

This is absolutely something that should be at least a bit complicated. There are all sorts of variables, many unknown and/or unrecognized, that change the circumstances that you acknowledge change the moral assessment. Given that so many variables are at play I take issue with judging people on things that aren’t really known.

But you knew instantly what the 'handicapped stall' was referring to and you've admitted everybody knows it's not illegal to use it, therefore for the purpose of this thread the name of it is irrelevant. We all know who can use it and which stall we're referring to.

I wouldn't judge a healthy looking adult changing a baby in there whilst a person in a wheelchair waits because I can see what's going on, what a strange argument? You're just complicating matters here or do you think people who need the toilet go in the restrooms counting stalls, working out the ratio of the stalls and writing papers on the formulas of when it's right or wrong to use them in which circumstances based on what day it is, how many lights are in the restrooms, whether there's a man called Harry in there, whether it's raining outside, what the temperature is and how many paper towels are available on that given day?

 

[TalkToEthan]

Epcot

The men’s restroom between UK and Canada has 18 to 21 stalls………and I was the only person in there from the time I walked in to the time I walked out yesterday—what a wasted placement of stalls.

 

[The Mom]

Epcot

The men’s restroom between UK and Canada has 18 to 21 stalls………and I was the only person in there from the time I walked in to the time I walked out yesterday—what a wasted placement of stalls.

The time of day may make a difference. I suspect that right after the evening lagoon show they might be busier. They were also busier when there was entertainment that created a crowd - like Off Kilter.

 

[TalkToEthan]

I’d say those 2 explanations sound reliable but don’t cover the biggest reason the bathroom was empty: position

It’s so far removed from the main showcase path that the bulk of foot traffic walk by without knowing about it. Seasoned park goers and map holders in search of bathrooms would know about it but countless others, I assume, have no idea.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I’d say those 2 explanations sound reliable but don’t cover the biggest reason the bathroom was empty: position

It’s so far removed from the main showcase path that the bulk of foot traffic walk by without knowing about it. Seasoned park goers and map holders in search of bathrooms would know about it but countless others, I assume, have no idea.

They’re like 50’ from the walkway with nothing in front of them.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

I’d say those 2 explanations sound reliable but don’t cover the biggest reason the bathroom was empty: position

It’s so far removed from the main showcase path that the bulk of foot traffic walk by without knowing about it. Seasoned park goers and map holders in search of bathrooms would know about it but countless others, I assume, have no idea.

Are these the pavilion restrooms?

I can’t think of any others in the area and the only time I’ve ever used these was during New Years when the pavilion was open, I didn’t even know they existed until then.

 

[TalkToEthan]

Are these the pavilion restrooms?

If I understand what you’re asking then, yes

I don’t know if the bathroom in question is assigned to a specific country/ pavilion —— it’s between UK and Canada near a large building used for what looks like seasonal or special events.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

If I understand what you’re asking then, yes

I don’t know if the bathroom in question is assigned to a specific country/ pavilion —— it’s between UK and Canada near a large building used for what looks like seasonal or special events.

That’s what I meant, the expo pavilion tent thing.

 

[Lilofan]

If I understand what you’re asking then, yes

I don’t know if the bathroom in question is assigned to a specific country/ pavilion —— it’s between UK and Canada near a large building used for what looks like seasonal or special events.

The building was used during the Millennium Celebration 1999 and a few years after that. There was the Chile, Israel , Brazil, etc pavilion inside staffed with international CMs. I loved that area.

 

[Lilofan]

Are these the pavilion restrooms?

I can’t think of any others in the area and the only time I’ve ever used these was during New Years when the pavilion was open, I didn’t even know they existed until then.

Party for the Senses during Food and Wine - 4pm-9pm all u can get eat drink and entertainment , more than 40 cooking stations , tickets $200 per person and up not including park ticket . One of the few places some guests dress up like its NYE.

 

[lazyboy97o]

If I understand what you’re asking then, yes

I don’t know if the bathroom in question is assigned to a specific country/ pavilion —— it’s between UK and Canada near a large building used for what looks like seasonal or special events.

They’re for that space. They were added to provide capacity for that venue and its location away from other facilities. Restrooms have to be placed so that guests are within so many feet of one.

 

[TalkToEthan]

They’re for that space. They were added to provide capacity for that venue

And with 20(ish) men’s restroom stalls I’d say that venue is more than covered.

As far as I know I’ve never seen a bathroom, anywhere on Earth, with a row of stalls in that quantity. I mean even 15 would be a huge number.

In full disclosure I haven’t been in many sports arenas over the years and the last one was Oakland Coliseum maybe 15 years ago……. perhaps these newer baseball and NFL stadiums have noticeably more than 20 in each bathroom; I just don’t know.

 

[Lilofan]

And with 20(ish) men’s restroom stalls I’d say that venue is more than covered.

As far as I know I’ve never seen a bathroom, anywhere on Earth, with a row of stalls in that quantity. I mean even 15 would be a huge number.

In full disclosure I haven’t been in many sports arenas over the years and the last one was Oakland Coliseum maybe 15 years ago……. perhaps these newer baseball and NFL stadiums have noticeably more than 20 in each bathroom; I just don’t know.

I though the Fantasmic restrooms at DHS were big but nothing comes close to the private events building restrooms between UK and France at Epcot. Back in the day I saw a 1986 NY Giants playoff game in NJ Giants Stadium and a bunch of us were crowded in the mens bathroom not only to keep warm but one fan had a rabbit ears antenna TV so we could watch the other playoff game during halftime.

 

[mergatroid]

Are these the pavilion restrooms?

I can’t think of any others in the area and the only time I’ve ever used these was during New Years when the pavilion was open, I didn’t even know they existed until then.

Nice, large toilet area these.

 

[flynnibus]

And with 20(ish) men’s restroom stalls I’d say that venue is more than covered.

As far as I know I’ve never seen a bathroom, anywhere on Earth, with a row of stalls in that quantity. I mean even 15 would be a huge number.

In full disclosure I haven’t been in many sports arenas over the years and the last one was Oakland Coliseum maybe 15 years ago……. perhaps these newer baseball and NFL stadiums have noticeably more than 20 in each bathroom; I just don’t know.

Goto convention centers... hotels with big convention areas... etc. The tend to have a lot of stalls vs more urinals (like a sports venue). Presumably the women's side of a pro sports arena would be huge too.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Goto convention centers... hotels with big convention areas... etc. The tend to have a lot of stalls vs more urinals (like a sports venue). Presumably the women's side of a pro sports arena would be huge too.

In most situations, the number of toilets is supposed to be the same in the men’s and women’s rooms. Certain Assembly occupancies such as theaters, stadiums and amusement parks now require more women’s toilets than men’s. Some places, including Florida, also require potty parity which requires a 3:2 ration of women’s toilets to men’s toilets.

 

[MickeyLuv'r]

I think that the point is that you don't know if the person needs that stall or not. You are assuming that just because they are not in a wheelchair, that they don't have a need for that stall. My grandmother used them from midlife because she had horrible knees and needed the bars to help her up. She used a raised seat at home. Some people are claustrophobic and need to use that bigger stalls. I think that you will find that the majority of woman will get in and out as quickly as possible when using those stalls. If I use them, I don't even use the sink in them to get out faster, I just use the standard sinks to wash my hands.

No, I did not assume that at all, which is why I carefully said, "There are a number of legitimate reasons people may need to use the larger stall, and we all sometimes have to wait our turn," in my original post.

I mainly only asked everyone to be considerate.

At a minimum, if someone opts to use the larger stall, they should try to make a modest effort to flush and not leave the place nasty. It is REALLY challenging when your mom needs the larger stall, but it is nasty.

The custodial staff notably made an extra effort to keep the larger stalls clean. At both WDW and Universal, they were either cleaning the larger stall, or made an effort to check it as soon as they saw me. That kindness was much appreciated.

 

[MickeyLuv'r]

I wouldn't judge a healthy looking adult changing a baby in there whilst a person in a wheelchair waits because I can see what's going on,

It is curious that the baby changing station is often in the same stall, and often folks leave it down.

I also happened upon one bathroom that had a VERY stinky diaper. The smell was overwhelming.

I think maybe if those folks were changing that diaper in their own home, they would have made an effort to contain the odor somehow, like maybe flushing the solids then wrapping the whole thing in a plastic diaper bag.

 

[MissingDisney]

At a minimum, if someone opts to use the larger stall, they should try to make a modest effort to flush and not leave the place nasty.

Doesn't this apply to all stalls, regardless of size?

I also happened upon one bathroom that had a VERY stinky diaper. The smell was overwhelming.

I think maybe if those folks were changing that diaper in their own home, they would have made an effort to contain the odor somehow, like maybe flushing the solids then wrapping the whole thing in a plastic diaper bag.

Respectfully, we ALL stink up the joint from time to time regardless of what kind of stall we're sitting in. It's a human function. Expecting someone to be able to control the smell of ...well.... you know, whether it be an adult or kid, that's a bit much of an ask. As long as the diapers go into the trash, what else can one do? Seems like this is kind of getting out of hand.