Plan C for Pleasure Island

[Lee]

In all honesty i am still surprised the mini-golf places are still open, they never seem busy

But that is the thing, they don't have to be busy!
They are a remnant of the Old Disney way, existing to provide guests with a non-park way to enjoy their time at the resort. Money isn't the point.

 

[Lee]

Until the West Side was built that was the case...it was fine back then...what they should do is make PI an actualy island built in the lake right there were you have to be 21 to take the boat to get there.

Or...just put the gates back up.
And build a safe walkway around the island to allow guests to travel from Marketplace-Westside.

 

[AvengersWDW]

But that is the thing, they don't have to be busy!
They are a remnant of the Old Disney way, existing to provide guests with a non-park way to enjoy their time at the resort. Money isn't the point.

Sorry i should of added that i am also surprised they are open since mini-golf doesnt seem like it would be a popular thing to do....

 

[AvengersWDW]

Or...just put the gates back up.
And build a safe walkway around the island to allow guests to travel from Marketplace-Westside.

They could but then you would have people crying about how they have to walk all the way around PI...not that i think it is a valid complaint.

 

[DznyGrlSD]

Or...just put the gates back up.
And build a safe walkway around the island to allow guests to travel from Marketplace-Westside.

Can I get an Amen?

I was working at PI (College Program) when the gates came down - biggest mistake ever.

 

[devoy1701]

Here we go again...you hate something so it automatically means that everyone hates it and has nothing positive....

Trend D does not sell Vinyls too which is another thing you have wrong. If you are going to attack it atleast be correct about what it sells.

Lol and you attack WoD...i just cant stop laughing. I should tell all those people who are leaving WDW to go back home that they should just not worry about going there to pick up an item they missed since according to one internet poster it is the DEVIL....

P.S. Close WoD and see what will happen when the biggest money maker is not there to help fund the entire WDW...

I didn't say everyone hates it. I said I hate it. The store is horribly laid out making it near impossible to get from one place to the next on any given weeknight/weekend, and the stuff in there is rubbish that I simply do not want. And I said I have no reason to go to DtD. I believe if you were to look back I never once mention "we" or "other people" or "general WDW Guests" in there. When Disneyshopping.com started selling Disney Parks merchandise online last year you can pretty much get anything available at WoD online too. Maybe there are a few less variations of a WDW t-shirt but I can most definitely now get one on clearance online and use a ship for free promo code without having to step for at WDW today.

I'm also not sure why you think I would want to close the store. That store alone sees more visitors and money than some regional theme parks.

I also don't understand where you get this idea that revenues from certain areas of the resort go into to help fund other areas around the resort. That isn't the case. Revenues from WoD don't go into painting the handrails at Epcot or helping to pay for the construction workers building FLE. The resort doesn't operate that way.

You need to do some serious research and information digging on not only WDW but on TWDC and business in general before you come in here and start trying to tell those of us who work in business how the game is played.

 

[HMButler79]

I can't believe we're having show discussions with someone who doesn't know what Horizons was...:lol:

Need we say more Lee...?? Millenial Fanbois=:brick:

 

[raven]

The current DTD is about only 1/3 of the size it will be when all is said and done. Many ideas and mappings have been worked over for the last few years to work out the specifics and details and they are still changing (which is why Hyperion Warf delayed construction). When all is said and done, expect a new DTD entrance ramp off I4, unique transportation, a blow-up of the current WoD, possible nightime entertainment, structured parking and several retail offerings from around the world.

 

[AvengersWDW]

I didn't say everyone hates it. I said I hate it. The store is horribly laid out making it near impossible to get from one place to the next on any given weeknight/weekend, and the stuff in there is rubbish that I simply do not want. And I said I have no reason to go to DtD. I believe if you were to look back I never once mention "we" or "other people" or "general WDW Guests" in there. When Disneyshopping.com started selling Disney Parks merchandise online last year you can pretty much get anything available at WoD online too. Maybe there are a few less variations of a WDW t-shirt but I can most definitely now get one on clearance online and use a ship for free promo code without having to step for at WDW today.

I'm also not sure why you think I would want to close the store. That store alone sees more visitors and money than some regional theme parks.

I also don't understand where you get this idea that revenues from certain areas of the resort go into to help fund other areas around the resort. That isn't the case. Revenues from WoD don't go into painting the handrails at Epcot or helping to pay for the construction workers building FLE. The resort doesn't operate that way.

You need to do some serious research and information digging on not only WDW but on TWDC and business in general before you come in here and start trying to tell those of us who work in business how the game is played.

I have a very easy time getting thru the store.

It also sells a lot of really nice things that both me and my girlfriends buys such as nice golf polos, nice watches, dooney and burke purses, etc.



Please understand basic business principles...money does not appear out of thin air. The profit that companies make not only go to the dividends of the shareholders but are used to pay for upgrades and such to the company.

 

[AvengersWDW]

The current DTD is about only 1/3 of the size it will be when all is said and done. Many ideas and mappings have been worked over for the last few years to work out the specifics and details and they are still changing (which is why Hyperion Warf delayed construction). When all is said and done, expect a new DTD entrance ramp off I4, unique transportation, a blow-up of the current WoD, possible nightime entertainment, structured parking and several retail offerings from around the world.

That would be awesome

 

[HMButler79]

Actually i have...but hey i forgot you guys bemoan the fact that DTD is a giant mall yet you want it to be a giant bar scene like you can get in any city in the country.

Sorry i dont drink the kool-aid and i am smart enough to remember even as a kid walking past PI and sensing it is nothing more than Rush St. in Downtown Chicago or my older brother going there in the 90s and saying the same exact thing...

silly me using logic

Which is why people came from even NYC and SoFla JUST to go to Mannequins? Oh wait.......you walked by it as a kid. An amazing experience which i'm sure justifies you to judge our experience and knowledge of PI. Silly me using logic.........

 

[xdan0920]

The current DTD is about only 1/3 of the size it will be when all is said and done. Many ideas and mappings have been worked over for the last few years to work out the specifics and details and they are still changing (which is why Hyperion Warf delayed construction). When all is said and done, expect a new DTD entrance ramp off I4, unique transportation, a blow-up of the current WoD, possible nightime entertainment, structured parking and several retail offerings from around the world.

Thanks!

One question though...We are many years into the closing of PI. What kind of time frame are we looking at now?

 

[HMButler79]

Just a point, if that is truely the case that the feedback has been bad then how come two of the three main areas were feedback is generated has had very little complaints? Both the concierge and Guest Relations department have had very little negative feedback. If what you are saying is correct then that should of been something I or many of my concierge and GR brethern would of heard on a daily basis.

This falls back into the idea that this internet board is how everyone in the world feels.

a CM mole telling us that that DISNEY concierege and DISNEY GR is getting little to no complaints from guests who have never been and dont know any better?? I AM SHOCKED I TELL YOU... "Company can do no wrong. All Hail Queen Meg," yadda yadda yadda....

 

[HMButler79]

My 2 thoughts:

1. Anyone who does not share a warped view on PI is somehow a banned member.2. A person on a internet board does not know what a concierge does.

My head hurts thinking about the fact that people honestly think that 100 people online are an accurate reflection of the real world. If that was the case going to MiceChat would tell me that NO ONE IN THE WORLD likes WDW

Like anyone who does not share a warped view of post '06 EiGer Disney ...HATES Disney. Riiiiiiiiiiiight........heaven forbid we uphold thier OWN G'DAMNE STANDARDS.......:brick:

 

[raven]

Thanks!

One question though...We are many years into the closing of PI. What kind of time frame are we looking at now?

Time frames are not my forte. I thought something would've been announced a year ago but obviously they are still making changes.

 

[HMButler79]

As I said in my earlier post, the small and unique shops were in no way putting a strain on anything. The company's profits were just as high as they are now, and guest satisfaction at high levels.

Some shops were intended to be part of the show, not to be huge money makers. Magic Shop, Antique Shop, Perfume Shop, etc. All were designed not only to make some money, but to add to the theme and ambience of the area in which they were located. The original Imagineers and park operators understood that, and placed a higher value on show than on the P&L statement of the churro cart.

Again, you are looking at Disney as a normal business, where ordinary business practice makes good sense. It isn't and it doesn't.
Show must always come before Efficiency. It is what sets Disney apart from the competition, and makes it the "magical" place it has always been.
The Keys were put in that order for a reason, by people much smarter than those who currently call the shots.

But these Millenial Fanbois have a Libertarian streak which means that TEHY view the parks AS any other business and must coninually be pumping out money, because they don't know anything else other than WDW operating as a huge business....

 

[lazyboy97o]

The current DTD is about only 1/3 of the size it will be when all is said and done. Many ideas and mappings have been worked over for the last few years to work out the specifics and details and they are still changing (which is why Hyperion Warf delayed construction). When all is said and done, expect a new DTD entrance ramp off I4, unique transportation, a blow-up of the current WoD, possible nightime entertainment, structured parking and several retail offerings from around the world.

It may be planned, but I doubt it will happen anytime soon. Plansa are changing due to a lack of interest. There is no reason to believe that now there is suddenly an interest in this just being part of a larger experience. Disney wants more lease space but people aren't biting at what they have.

 

[wdw71fan]

The current DTD is about only 1/3 of the size it will be when all is said and done. Many ideas and mappings have been worked over for the last few years to work out the specifics and details and they are still changing (which is why Hyperion Warf delayed construction). When all is said and done, expect a new DTD entrance ramp off I4, unique transportation, a blow-up of the current WoD, possible nightime entertainment, structured parking and several retail offerings from around the world.

all of that, and no return of the clubs..

Sounds good to me! :sohappy:

 

[Horizonsfan]

The current DTD is about only 1/3 of the size it will be when all is said and done. Many ideas and mappings have been worked over for the last few years to work out the specifics and details and they are still changing (which is why Hyperion Warf delayed construction). When all is said and done, expect a new DTD entrance ramp off I4, unique transportation, a blow-up of the current WoD, possible nightime entertainment, structured parking and several retail offerings from around the world.

Thanks for sharing Raven. If I remember right Marni has an image showing an old DtD expansion plan.

Like lazyboy97o said though, I can't see much of this expansion happening. At least not until more people want to lease from Disney. Heck, they still haven't used the expansion plots to the west of Cirque. If I was a betting person, I'd say the I-4 ramp and part of the structured parking (marketplace side) will probably be the only things to happen in the next 3-5 years.

 

[devoy1701]

I have a very easy time getting thru the store.

It also sells a lot of really nice things that both me and my girlfriends buys such as nice golf polos, nice watches, dooney and burke purses, etc.

All of which can be purchased on the website, usually for cheaper with a promo code. Just saying.

OMG it is like arguing with a wall. No the funds do not go directly to the upkeep of the resort but it does go to the POOL OF CASH THE COMPANY MAKES WHICH IN TURNS GOES BACK TO WDW.

Please understand basic business principles...money does not appear out of thin air. The profit that companies make not only go to the dividends of the shareholders but are used to pay for upgrades and such to the company.

WDW is going to get a pool of money to operate out of regardless of the income it brings it. The revenue that the resort brings in has nothing to do with and is not part of the money that is allocated to it for future projects. The only thing that money has to do with is determines what size bonuses the executives at P&R and WDW receive (which also does not come out of the revenues made by WDW). So your comment that the pool of cash in turn goes back to WDW is inaccurate. Future expansion projects of a massive scale (such as the construction of EPCOT as you eluded to early) come out of an entirely different budget that once again has nothing to do with revenue streams of the resort. And while I'm not privy to the exact financials of the resort, I can say with much certainty that the profit being made from WDW or TWDC is not in tern being immediately reinvested into our beloved resort.