Rumor Pixar's Coco coming to the Mexico Pavilion

[Tony the Tigger]

The dismantling of imagination and closure of wonders of life without replacement are the mortal sins to me...

Never even bothered with an excuse.

What excuse? They were

Sorry, dozed off. There was a lot of boring going on there.

I think they are playing long ball here. The subset of their guests who even remember those things, and the subset of that subset who actually liked and miss them, to be blunt, aren’t going to live forever.

More recent first timers will never know those things were there and will not miss them.

An IP based (when possible) attraction in as many world showcase pavilions as physically possible, and hopefully eventually something meatier in those pavilion spaces may bring Epcot up to speed.

That can still all be done with a nod towards education and innovation. However, as we often say, an attraction can have an IP or not and be well designed or not; likewise an attraction can have an educational component and be well designed or not. A good attraction need not be frivolous or mind numbing. Raise the standards.

I will say nothing should be shuttered without a replacement already in the works. Empty show buildings and weakly repurposed show buildings are sloppy and detract from the overall impressiveness of the park.

 

[larryz]

Any chance they'll add Hot Cocoa in a Coco mug to the lineup in La Cava instead?

 

[geekza]

The dismantling of imagination and closure of wonders of life without replacement are the mortal sins to me...

Never even bothered with an excuse.

Well, there was an excuse for Imagination: Convincing Kodak to re-up their sponsorship when they were ready to drop it. Disney promised them a new attraction. They got a new attraction, but one that destroyed a beloved attraction and wasn't to anybody's liking. Kodak ended up dropping their sponsorship later on anyway and now us old farts just sit around and mourn Dreamfinder. At this point, I think the only way it could get worse is if they just showed a decaying Figment whilst Eric Idle endlessly flipped you the bird as garbage juice from Food and Wine trash cans was sprayed in our faces.

 

[TJJohn12]

An IP based (when possible) attraction in as many world showcase pavilions as physically possible, and hopefully eventually something meatier in those pavilion spaces may bring Epcot up to speed.

That can still all be done with a nod towards education and innovation. However, as we often say, an attraction can have an IP or not and be well designed or not; likewise an attraction can have an educational component and be well designed or not. A good attraction need not be frivolous or mind numbing. Raise the standards.

I think you set up three points on the radial graph of a good EPCOT attraction moving forward: IP integration (or put more generally, strength of character development), educational value, and good user-centered design. I’d add to that a vector for entertainment, and I think those are the four prime elements that need to balance in any good EPCOT attraction.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Well, there was an excuse for Imagination: Convincing Kodak to re-up their sponsorship when they were ready to drop it. Disney promised them a new attraction. They got a new attraction, but one that destroyed a beloved attraction and wasn't to anybody's liking. Kodak ended up dropping their sponsorship later on anyway and now us old farts just sit around and mourn Dreamfinder. At this point, I think the only way it could get worse is if they just showed a decaying Figment whilst Eric Idle endlessly flipped you the bird as garbage juice from Food and Wine trash cans was sprayed in our faces.

Well...relying on the antiquated pre-internet sponsorship deals is part of the problem.

The reason Kodak dropped their sponsorship was a good one: they were delisted from the stock exchange

 

[Bender123]

Well...relying on the antiquated pre-internet sponsorship deals is part of the problem.

The reason Kodak dropped their sponsorship was a good one: they were delisted from the stock exchange

When that agreement was resigned, who would have thought film cameras would be dead in 5 years?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

When that agreement was resigned, who would have thought film cameras would be dead in 5 years?

What is: every other camera company but Kodak, alex?

 

[PorterRedkey]

Apologies if this was already mentioned, but...the only other problem with putting a popular IP into the Mexico Pavilion is that queue is only good for about a 20 minute wait before it backs up into the rest of the "town" area.

In the early 90's, I routinely saw the original ride have lines that reached outside of the building. It was designed to do that originally and now with the festivals, I have seen the line inside back to the curved ramp section.

If you don't believe it was meant to do that - look on left side (when facing the pyramid) of the curved down ramp. You will see things in the floor that allows additional line barriers to be erected.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

In the early 90's, I routinely saw the original ride have lines that reached outside of the building. It was designed to do that originally and now with the festivals, I have seen the line inside back to the curved ramp section.

If you don't believe it was meant to do that - look on left side (when facing the pyramid) of the curved down ramp. You will see things in the floor that allows additional line barriers to be erected.

I can remember a pretty long snake for el Rio in 1986

 

[ppete1975]

Epcot needs a few more attractions so they can bypass the tiered FP+ system completely.


Tier 2

• Mission: Space
• Spaceship Earth
• The Seas with Nemo & Friends
• Living with the Land
• Pixar Short Film Festival (again, why does this need a FP+?)
• Journey Into Imagination With Figment
• Turtle Talk with Crush

.

Several of the tier 2's in my opinion are more busy now due to fast pass. Living with the land used to never have a long line (I love it btw, its my favorite epcot ride), but I have seen it with huge lines at over 20 mins, everytime it is I hear people talk
Person who hasn't done any research: what is this ride
Other person who has no clue: I have no idea but I got a fast pass to it

I think several of these rides have people who get fast passes to them because they want to use their fast passes, that's good for us in one way (keeps them from removing as quickly saying nobody rides them), but takes a ride that should be a walk on and makes it a longer wait period than needed.

 

[Princess Leia]

Several of the tier 2's in my opinion are more busy now due to fast pass. Living with the land used to never have a long line (I love it btw, its my favorite epcot ride), but I have seen it with huge lines at over 20 mins, everytime it is I hear people talk
Person who hasn't done any research: what is this ride
Other person who has no clue: I have no idea but I got a fast pass to it

I think several of these rides have people who get fast passes to them because they want to use their fast passes, that's good for us in one way (keeps them from removing as quickly saying nobody rides them), but takes a ride that should be a walk on and makes it a longer wait period than needed.

I think I waited 30 minutes for Nemo in November, which was kind of ridiculous.

 

[Princess Leia]

Animal kingdom will go back to no tiers when the rush falls - unless they add something else big.

The only hole I see in your argument is that Mary poppins doesn’t exist...hard to make a concrete argument using the hypothetical.

From Martin last week (in the Poppins thread):

Just a note to say this is still quietly and slowly moving forwards (or at this time a UK addition hasn’t been cancelled)

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

From Martin last week (in the Poppins thread):

...you know what I’m gonna say here...so I won’t say it.

...and I bet Martin would agree for what it’s worth.

 

[BrianLo]

Strong in china though....so maybe when they build that park in Macau??

Macau? I know you are joking, but I think you are geographically confused. Lantau, or Chongqing/Chengdu. Or making way too deep of a joke.

Unless the joke is meant to elicit "when Disney builds their 5th gate in downtown Orlando".

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Macau? I know you are joking, but I think you are geographically confused. Lantau, or Chongqing/Chengdu. Or making way too deep of a joke.

Unless the joke is meant to elicit "when Disney builds their 5th gate in downtown Orlando".

...you killed the joke, braniac

Actually it wasn’t a joke...it was a word game meant to confuse...

GOTCHA!!!

 

[HauntedMansionFLA]

Epcot needs a few more attractions so they can bypass the tiered FP+ system completely.

Here's where it stands as of this week:

Tier 1

• Frozen Ever After
• Test Track
• Soarin'
• Illuminations: Reflection of Earth
• Epcot Character Greeting (I honestly do not understand the recent placement of this one)

Tier 2

• Mission: Space
• Spaceship Earth
• The Seas with Nemo & Friends
• Living with the Land
• Pixar Short Film Festival (again, why does this need a FP+?)
• Journey Into Imagination With Figment
• Turtle Talk with Crush

No FastPass+ needed

• Gran Fiesta Tour
• American Adventure
• Impressions de France
• O Canada
• Reflections of China

Ratatouille and Guardians will be Tier 1 attractions (probably bumping Soarin' and/or Test Track down to Tier 2) and I can imagine Mary Poppins will be a Tier 2 attraction. Coco probably would have been in Tier 2.

The Magic Kingdom is the only park without tiers, and they have 25 attractions that can have FP+ reserved. Epcot currently has 12. If they add at least 3 more attractions to the park, I think they could get rid of the tiers. Coco could have sped up the process.

If they would build areas in the WSC for the meet and greets like Frozen, it would add close to a dozen FP opportunities to add on to choose from. EPCOT has the same opportunities to max out the FP system like the MK.

 

[Bocabear]

If they would build areas in the WSC for the meet and greets like Frozen, it would add close to a dozen FP opportunities to add on to choose from. EPCOT has the same opportunities to max out the FP system like the MK.

OMG Don't even suggest that! The park needs real attractions not Meet N Greets...

 

[HauntedMansionFLA]

OMG Don't even suggest that! The park needs real attractions not Meet N Greets...

Both go hand and hand. Yes, they are bringing GotG and the Rat ride in. You need other attractions that appeal to a wide demographic to help even out the FP and stand by lines. Hopefully we get a surprise announcement about two ride attractions going into WoL and the rumored Mary Poppins ride at the UK.

 

[marni1971]

I hope a M&G is never seen as an attraction.

Outside of the cubicles anyway.

 

[Clopin Trouillefou]

...you killed the joke, braniac

Actually it wasn’t a joke...it was a word game meant to confuse...

GOTCHA!!!

I think your joke killed the joke.