Rumor Pixar's Coco coming to the Mexico Pavilion

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Except the coco project was not just rumor. It really existed/exists even if it does not come to fruition.

PCQ currently 99.9%.

If a ride doesn’t get built in a forest and no imagineer is there to see it...does It really exist?

...I get it...blue sky...sometimes explored...sometimes it just dies or goes on 20 year hold.

The movie premiered 7 months ago and you’re speaking “existence” in the past tense.

I think pulling it out of the dustbin would depend on if coco goes anywhere from here, no?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Apologies if this was already mentioned, but...the only other problem with putting a popular IP into the Mexico Pavilion is that queue is only good for about a 20 minute wait before it backs up into the rest of the "town" area.

That could be a problem...especially if the movie resonates longterm with the Latino audience...which would make an overlay the n very attractive.

 

[Tony the Tigger]

I hope I didn’t post this already, but: saw the movie on Netflix last week by myself; sobbed and loved it.

Husband came home from work that day, put it on again. He usually falls asleep in the first 10 minutes after work, but watched straight through, sobbed and loved it.

Company arrived mid-week. Yup, four guys crying.

By far my favorite Disney movie of the last several years.

I would actually miss 3 Caballeros, but would be completely on board with Coco.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I hope I didn’t post this already, but: saw the movie on Netflix last week by myself; sobbed and loved it.

Husband came home from work that day, put it on again. He usually falls asleep in the first 10 minutes after work, but watched straight through, sobbed and loved it.

Company arrived mid-week. Yup, four guys crying.

By far my favorite Disney movie of the last several years.

I would actually miss 3 Caballeros, but would be completely on board with Coco.

I thought it had a lot of heart for Pixar...In the realm of Up, Inside Out, Toy story 2, Nemo and Wall E

 

[Princess Leia]

I get that...especially parades and shows...but those lend more to “knee jerk” type things because of low investment.

When did they add little mermaid dark rides? 20 years later?

A beauty and the beast restaurant? 20 years later.

Lion king was Eisners baby...so a bit unusual. Stitch would be another Eisner force.

It seems 5 years is the typical early point for IP based attraction...toy story was around 5 years when they started up. 13 years by midway Mania. Carsland was 5...

I wouldn’t exactly call the shows “knee-jerk reactions”. That would be the Frozen sing a long (which I think is pretty cute, despite the low budget). I never saw the Pocahontas show, but Hunchback was a favorite of my family’s. It was creative, it handled the plot really well (and it started out with a murder, welcome to Disney world!) and the performances that we saw were better than what Beauty & the Beast is pulling now. And Disney had the shows ready to go on the films’ release dates (I get that the Hans reveal in Frozen would have been a massive spoiler, but that could have been sidestepped).

I really hope that Coco being on Netflix helps its popularity grow. While I don’t think I can watch it again right now (lost 3 grandparents recently, last one was a month before Coco came out in theaters), it’s arguably Pixar’s best since Toy Story 3 (though Inside Out ranks high up there for me) and I would love to see it become incorporated into the parks. It isn’t one that lends itself to sequel material, so I would really hope that Disney figures out a decent timeline to put it in Epcot.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I wouldn’t exactly call the shows “knee-jerk reactions”. That would be the Frozen sing a long (which I think is pretty cute, despite the low budget). I never saw the Pocahontas show, but Hunchback was a favorite of my family’s. It was creative, it handled the plot really well (and it started out with a murder, welcome to Disney world!) and the performances that we saw were better than what Beauty & the Beast is pulling now. And Disney had the shows ready to go on the films’ release dates (I get that the Hans reveal in Frozen would have been a massive spoiler, but that could have been sidestepped).

I really hope that Coco being on Netflix helps its popularity grow. While I don’t think I can watch it again right now (lost 3 grandparents recently, last one was a month before Coco came out in theaters), it’s arguably Pixar’s best since Toy Story 3 (though Inside Out ranks high up there for me) and I would love to see it become incorporated into the parks. It isn’t one that lends itself to sequel material, so I would really hope that Disney figures out a decent timeline to put it in Epcot.

“Knee jerk” being low cost...therefore not a lot of risk.

I liked the hunchback show...Pocahontas was filler for an empty dak that needed stuff.

But as you pointed out earlier: late eisner was more prone to quick stuff.

I honestly don’t see coco benefiting them that much...so it’s unlikely they’d been keen on bucks for it right now. Maybe in a couple years when the three caballeros overlay is older and needs a wash over?

 

[peter11435]

Pocahontas was filler for an empty dak that needed stuff.

Not the same Pocahontas show...

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Not the same Pocahontas show...

Lol...I forgot all about the MGM show...and it totally buzzed the tower, Goose.

 

[Sped2424]

Just a note on history:

Disney has always been historically slow to develop rides based on its characters...

The one notable exception being Disneyland opening when they needed IP to draw/cross promote the park.

So while it may seem strange theres
No tangled...moana...coco...etc - it’s actually standard practice more or less not to have anything at this point.

Which is why the coco rumor was a “stretch”

The rumor was not a stretch, it was an actual plan that got it's funding frozen in favor of other projects. I know you don't believe the fact that there are people who have access to knowledge about these decisions but don't be daft about it.

 

[Sir_Cliff]

I wouldn’t exactly call the shows “knee-jerk reactions”. That would be the Frozen sing a long (which I think is pretty cute, despite the low budget). I never saw the Pocahontas show, but Hunchback was a favorite of my family’s. It was creative, it handled the plot really well (and it started out with a murder, welcome to Disney world!) and the performances that we saw were better than what Beauty & the Beast is pulling now. And Disney had the shows ready to go on the films’ release dates (I get that the Hans reveal in Frozen would have been a massive spoiler, but that could have been sidestepped).

Precisely; it seemed taken for granted there would be something in the parks, whether a show or parade, to coincide with the latest animated feature. Now there's no guarantee they'll even design costumes for the main characters. In contrast, they pretty much buried Emperor's New Groove but still had the main characters meeting and greeting in the parks before the film came out. What's stranger is that I remember when Disney bought Pixar and Lasseter was now working with WDI that there was talk Disney wanted to get their properties into the parks in a more timely manner rather than years and years after a film came out. Well, they went in the reverse direction!

I really hope that Coco being on Netflix helps its popularity grow. While I don’t think I can watch it again right now (lost 3 grandparents recently, last one was a month before Coco came out in theaters), it’s arguably Pixar’s best since Toy Story 3 (though Inside Out ranks high up there for me) and I would love to see it become incorporated into the parks. It isn’t one that lends itself to sequel material, so I would really hope that Disney figures out a decent timeline to put it in Epcot.

I really hope so, too. For me, it's up there with the best of Pixar (my other favourite is Ratatouille, so I don't know how much my tastes echo those of most Pixar fans!). If they were clever, I'm sure they could also make some money out of merchandising the film aimed more at adults emphasising Mexican motifs, particularly at the parks. They licensed the Mexican company Ay Güey to produce some t-shirts, mobile phone cases, etc. for their stores in Mexico, and I'm sure they could do something similar for the parks in the US.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

The rumor was not a stretch, it was an actual plan that got it's funding frozen in favor of other projects. I know you don't believe the fact that there are people who have access to knowledge about these decisions but don't be daft about it.

As I’ve said...I don’t have any issue with those that share and label it a rumor...

It’s more those that pick it up...run with it...then ask about timelines and other nonsense as facts and then pump their chests out about it. There’s really no point of that. And it happens every time.

I think the idea is/was real...just not a great chance of implementation due to longstanding patterns. I like coco...I’m ok with the pavilion with or without it.

 

[marni1971]

As I’ve said...I don’t have any issue with those that share and label it a rumor...

It’s more those that pick it up...run with it...then ask about timelines...

Timeline was Q3 2020. Since you asked. It began to be second guessed late last summer.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Timeline was Q3 2020. Since you asked. It began to be second guessed late last summer.

Before release?

In your long experience...what warning flag does that raise about its chances - if any?

Did coco seem to boldly go where on bugs life has gone before? If the movie didn’t go well it would have been cut by the third day of release...and if it was a an international supersmash and made $1.6 global they’ve have guys hanging from the ceiling putting in new AAs and queue lines right now. Such is the way of the Force.

 

[marni1971]

In your long experience...what warning flag does that raise about its chances - if any?.

Right now there is very little chance, for reasons I won’t go into publically. Let’s call it unforeseen circumstances.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Right now there is very little chance, for reasons I won’t go into publically. Let’s call it unforeseen circumstances.

You always tease the “kids” around here and get them all frothed up, don’t you?

 

[Princess Leia]

Timeline was Q3 2020. Since you asked. It began to be second guessed late last summer.

Well that just makes me sad now Epcot could have used something on that side to draw people from the Ratatouille lines (and Frozen)

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Well that just makes me sad now Epcot could have used something on that side to draw people from the Ratatouille lines (and Frozen)

I think more Epcot depends on a couple of things...mainly “corporate will”

1. If they can push the attendance to 60 mil annually and have EPCOT become the “feeder” park for the other 3...is that Ok with big shot bob?

 

[Tony the Tigger]

Timeline was Q3 2020. Since you asked. It began to be second guessed late last summer.

But - then this happened!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_accolades_received_by_Coco_(2017_film)

And the "next wave" of viewers are just now coming on board via Netflix and eventually the pay-TV channels.

Right now there is very little chance, for reasons I won’t go into publically. Let’s call it unforeseen circumstances.

Boo.

Although I suspect if I were making decisions, I might just as well wait until the anti-Mexican sentiment stirred up by recent irresponsible politicians subsides and do it in a couple of years. Plenty to work on in the meantime.

I'd rather Disney be on the forefront of such issues, but they typically aren't, it doesn't necessarily make business sense to be, and the movie itself is melting hearts and breaking barriers.

Had lunch with 3 regular customers of mine at a record show this past weekend. The subject came up. One guy is from Colombia and said how much it meant. Two guys are dads and mentioned how the kids just love it without necessarily dwelling on the parts we adults do. The consensus at the table was that it was completely relatable no matter your ethnicity, unless you are a terrible person LOL.

 

[geekza]

Right now there is very little chance, for reasons I won’t go into publically. Let’s call it unforeseen circumstances.

That's unfortunate. As much as I love The Three Caballeros (it's truly a showcase that let the Disney artists' imaginations run wild), the current attraction is still very much a quick paste-up on the original attraction. Coco has such a wonderful visual style that an attraction that would allow that style to translate into three dimensions would be stunning.

 

[drod1985]

Yeah, they'd have a lot of opportunity to get creative with technology in a Coco themed ride. That's a bummer that its chances of happening are decreasing now. Even the little touches of Coco they added to the pavilion have breathed some new life and excitement into it for me.