Rumor Pixar's Coco coming to the Mexico Pavilion

[DisneyFan18]

Also, let’s not forget that even though doing the Coco attraction in the Mexico Pavillion won’t save Epcot, the 50th Anniversary is coming and they can promote it as a “new” attraction without having to build something and it’s relatively easy and cheap.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Also, let’s not forget that even though doing the Coco attraction in the Mexico Pavillion won’t save Epcot, the 50th Anniversary is coming and they can promote it as a “new” attraction without having to build something and it’s relatively easy and cheap.

In general, it just makes sense for WDW to improve under-performing attractions before it adds new.

An under-performing attraction isn't bringing in folks, it isn't contributing to an overall positvie view of WDW on surveys, and it's sucking up money to run it without generating the crowds that spend money to support it.

Once all the attractions are up to snuff, then you can start adding new.

 

[MaximumEd]

In general, it just makes sense for WDW to improve under-performing attractions before it adds new.

An under-performing attraction isn't bringing in folks, it isn't contributing to an overall positvie view of WDW on surveys, and it's sucking up money to run it without generating the crowds that spend money to support it.

Once all the attractions are up to snuff, then you can start adding new.

Can’t we have a balance of both?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

In general, it just makes sense for WDW to improve under-performing attractions before it adds new.

An under-performing attraction isn't bringing in folks, it isn't contributing to an overall positvie view of WDW on surveys, and it's sucking up money to run it without generating the crowds that spend money to support it.

Once all the attractions are up to snuff, then you can start adding new.

But redoing old rides doesn't increase capacity...and two parks - the lands of tiering - desperately need it.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Can’t we have a balance of both?

Letting rides languish with no one wanting to ride them isn't balanced.

Now, WDW should have been doing this for a while such that there should never be any languishing rides at all ever. But they didn't. They're certainly in a catch-up phase. But that means more upgrades/overhauls than brand new.

But they are doing brand new stuff by putting things in spots without removing anything that was old: TRON, MK Theater, Slinky Coaster, new DHS nighttime shows, RoL, Pandora (technically it replaced Camp Mickey, but CM was supposed to be only a temporary placeholder in the first place).

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Letting rides languish with no one wanting to ride them isn't balanced.

Now, WDW should have been doing this for a while such that there should never be any anguishing rides at all ever. But they didn't. They're certainly in a catch-up phase. But that means more upgrades/overhauls than brand new.

But they are doing brand new stuff by putting things in spots without removing anything that was old: TRON, MK Theater, Slinky Coaster, new DHS nighttime shows, RoL, Pandora (technically it replaced Camp Mickey, but CM was supposed to be only a temporary placeholder in the first place).

They went flat footed for along time...

They need the additions and the reinvention...no other viable plans.

Why is imagination still rotting?

 

[andre85]

But redoing old rides doesn't increase capacity...and two parks - the lands of tiering - desperately need it.

It does if those old rides are underutilized, which they almost certainly are which is why they're being redone in the first place.

 

[MisterPenguin]

But redoing old rides doesn't increase capacity...and two parks - the lands of tiering - desperately need it.

Putting in a new big E-Ticket isn't going to solve crowding problems, in fact, it could make them worse. That's what we're all expecting when SWL opens. It won't be a case of: "Whew, DHS is so much less crowded because the new lands are 'eating' guests!" It will be a packed nightmare instead.

When you have any-time ticketing strategy where you sell more tickets than the parks can handle, then there will always be crowding issues. The better solution is spread crowds more evenly by:

1. Discouraging peak attendance and encouraging off-peak attendance (done usually with resort deals in the off-season; and surge pricing and AP blackouts)
2. Move crowds to less dense areas: Make the three parks that are not the MK as desirable as the MK.
3. Make attractions that are currently less attended more attractive by upgrading them or even replacing them if you have to.

OR, you move to a system where tickets are only good for a specific day and they limit how many tickets they sell for that day. E.g., the Christmas and Halloween parties will never have a "phased closing" because too many people show up. The number of tickets sell out, and no more tickets are sold and no one else can get in. That's a nuclear option for dealing with the overcrowding at MK, but, it's a solution. Other than that, all you have is carrots (to move them to less dense parks/attractions) or sticks (increased pricing).

OR, you make sure your parks' capacity greatly exceeds the capacity of all the local resorts, hotels, and local housing. Then, rooming will limit the crowds.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

It does if those old rides are underutilized, which they almost certainly are which is why they're being redone in the first place.

Not capacity...that's ridership. The problem with that is that ridership ebbs and flows over the course of a day/year/decade...capacity is a fixed asset that you can plan around...on both sides

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Putting in a new big E-Ticket isn't going to solve crowding problems, in fact, it could make them worse. That's what we're all expecting when SWL opens. It won't be a case of: "Whew, DHS is so much less crowded because the new lands are 'eating' guests!" It will be a packed nightmare instead.

When you have any-time ticketing strategy where you sell more tickets than the parks can handle, then there will always be crowding issues. The better solution is spread crowds more evenly by:

1. Discouraging peak attendance and encouraging off-peak attendance (done usually with resort deals in the off-season; and surge pricing and AP blackouts)
2. Move crowds to less dense areas: Make the three parks that are not the MK as desirable as the MK.
3. Make attractions that are currently less attended more attractive by upgrading them or even replacing them if you have to.

OR, you move to a system where tickets are only good for a specific day and they limit how many tickets they sell for that day. E.g., the Christmas and Halloween parties will never have a "phased closing" because too many people show up. The number of tickets sell out, and no more tickets are sold and no one else can get in. That's a nuclear option for dealing with the overcrowding at MK, but, it's a solution. Other than that, all you have is carrots (to move them to less dense parks/attractions) or sticks (increased pricing).

OR, you make sure your parks' capacity greatly exceeds the capacity of all the local resorts, hotels, and local housing. Then, rooming will limit the crowds.

I don't disagree with any of that...so much so that I didn't write to that effect.

Coco overlay would increase appeal - may be - and ridership...but wouldn't address the foundation issue in Epcot: capacity of attractions

 

[Sir_Cliff]

I don't disagree with any of that...so much so that I didn't write to that effect.

Coco overlay would increase appeal - may be - and ridership...but wouldn't address the foundation issue in Epcot: capacity of attractions

Is that really Epcot's main problem? Other than Frozen and Test Track, Epcot's bigger issue seems to be that it's full of dead space and stale attractions which only attract any real queue during the busiest times of year.

 

[Lets Respect]

Elena of Avalor would be a cute overlay too and she's the first Latina Disney princess. Could put the meet and greet in there too. Would go with the Frozen stuff in a sense. I wonder if that has ever been an option.

 

[drizgirl]

Elena of Avalor would be a cute overlay too and she's the first Latina Disney princess. Could put the meet and greet in there too. Would go with the Frozen stuff in a sense. I wonder if that has ever been an option.

I'd rather buy one of those dolls to tuck my kid into bed with at night.

I think she moves a lot of costumes too.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Elena of Avalor would be a cute overlay too and she's the first Latina Disney princess. Could put a meet and greet in there too. Would go with the Frozen stuff in a sense. I wonder if that has ever been an option.

Elena M&G makes so much more sense than Donaldo... who isn't even Latino, but dresses up as one!!

#CulturalAppropriation #HollywoodWhiteWashing



Donald's a sailor, put his M&G on The Golden Dream ship by the American Showcase Theater.

 

[Lets Respect]

I'd rather buy one of those dolls to tuck my kid into bed with at night.

I think she moves a lot of costumes too.

Her costume is GORGEOUS

 

[Lets Respect]

Elena M&G makes so much more sense than Donaldo... who isn't even Latino, but dresses up as one!!

#CulturalAppropriation #HollywoodWhiteWashing

Donald's a sailor, put his M&G on The Golden Dream ship by the American Showcase Theater.

That's a really good point.

 

[marni1971]

In general, it just makes sense for WDW to improve under-performing attractions before it adds new.

An under-performing attraction isn't bringing in folks, it isn't contributing to an overall positvie view of WDW on surveys, and it's sucking up money to run it without generating the crowds that spend money to support it.

Once all the attractions are up to snuff, then you can start adding new.

But redoing old rides doesn't increase capacity...and two parks - the lands of tiering - desperately need it.

It does if those old rides are underutilized, which they almost certainly are which is why they're being redone in the first place.

It’s worth noting the way attractions are portrayed as under performing / under demand / least visited is often unclear and slightly skewed.

Things haven’t improved to a degree since 20K.

 

[hobovampire]

It’s worth noting the way attractions are portrayed as under performing / under demand / least visited is often unclear and slightly skewed.

If possible, do you have an example of an attraction considered underperforming/ under demand/ least visited that you didn't or didn't seem so?

 

[marni1971]

If possible, do you have an example of an attraction considered underperforming/ under demand/ least visited that you didn't or didn't seem so?

Nothing more I can say. Just thought it was worth pointing out. There’s a dangerous precedent that just because something pulls in 10,000 people a day instead of 20,000 it’s called a failure.

Figures purely subjective.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

It’s worth noting the way attractions are portrayed as under performing / under demand / least visited is often unclear and slightly skewed.

Things haven’t improved to a degree since 20K.

Agree...if everyone knew that the number of attractions since the 99 openings included in their ticket is NET ZERO...it would blow their minds like the Jimi Hendrix experience.