Pirates refurb dates released

[SuddenStorm]

If they really wanted to change the auction scene they should've just added this.

But if we want to talk about rum jokes in POTC, here are some hilarious ones by Marc Davis.

You belong on the Incredicoaster because you are stretching big time.

This just helped me realize how ridiculous it is that they didn't go back and use old ride concepts and designs that didn't get used, and incorporate those into the new scene. Would have helped give the new scene validity.

 

[Deleted member 107043]

This scene was there for 50 years without anyone withering away after being subjected to it, so at the very least they could have held off on updating it until they were able to come up with something decent to take its place.

No one withered away, but many were bothered by it, which has been stated here repeatedly on different threads since the announcement was made last year. Even Walt Disney questioned it thinking it might be crossing a line for Disneyland. It sure would be nice if we'd could stop glossing over legitimate issues some people had with the way the original auction scene was portrayed.

 

[TROR]

This just helped me realize how ridiculous it is that they didn't go back and use old ride concepts and designs that didn't get used, and incorporate those into the new scene. Would have helped give the new scene validity.

Losing the classic auction scene and Paul Frees voice work would've been a huge loss, but if the replace was a brand new Marc Davis show scene it's really hard to complain.

 

[JD2000]

I could somewhat understand people getting offended about the less attractive woman being treated differently. But to condemn the auctioning of woman? Is it not progressive to learn from the past, understanding what pirates did is very wrong, instead of pretending it didn't happen?

 

[TROR]

I could somewhat understand people getting offended about the less attractive woman being treated differently. But to condemn the auctioning of woman? Is it not progressive to learn from the past, understanding what pirates did is very wrong, instead of pretending it didn't happen?

According to a former Disney CM, all of the complaints (of which there were few) were always about the fat jokes and not the auctioning of the women. The same thing happened at the Country Bear Jamboree in Walt Disney World. It's unfortunate, especially fat people can't fit in the boats in the first place.

 

[George Lucas on a Bench]

Footage obtained by Gif Soup of actual guest reaction to the new auction scene:

 

[Rich T]

No one withered away, but many were bothered by it, which has been stated here repeatedly on different threads since the announcement was made last year. Even Walt Disney questioned it thinking it might be crossing a line for Disneyland. It sure would be nice if we'd could stop glossing over legitimate issues some people had with the way the original auction scene was portrayed.

Pirate behavior should be bothersome. It should make people uneasy. It should be threatening. People disturbed by the things pirates did shouldn't enter an attraction called Pirates of the Caribbean. If they think that it's all going to be good, wholesome fun (even after seeing the murder-and-other-bad-behaviour-filled PoC films)... then that reflects what a stupid, hypocritical view of Pirates (in general) the GP has built up in its stupid collective consciousness. That said, as others have mentioned, I really, really wouldn't mind the auction being replaced by a better scene that wasn't complete and utter nonsense.

 

[Deleted member 107043]

How can anyone object to pirates behaving like pirates in a ride called Pirates of the Caribbean,

That was never my issue. Pirates may have pillaged and plundered but I've never once heard of a kidnapped individual willingly and suggestively offering themselves at a human auction. The whole scenario was ridiculous even in 1967 and over time it aged terribly.

 

[Rich T]

That was never my issue. Pirates may have pillaged and plundered but I've never once heard of a kidnapped individual willingly and suggestively offering themselves at a human auction. The whole scenario was ridiculous even in 1967 and over time it aged terribly.

I think it all probably dates back to the Mae West film roles featuring the smart, attractive woman making her way through a hostile world by manipulating the men in power. I think that's what Davis and co. were going for. Maybe. I agree the scene didn't age well. Would like to see an intelligent replacement.

 

[George Lucas on a Bench]

Oh my God.

 

[Rich T]

Was the Mae West stretch too much?

 

[George Lucas on a Bench]

It was obviously responding to that ridiculous post above yours.

 

[Deleted member 107043]

It was obviously responding to that ridiculous post above yours.

Of all the people calling my post ridiculous it would be the person who repeatedly went to Disneyland drunk and rode the Haunted Mansion all day long.

 

[George Lucas on a Bench]

Stings, doesn't it?

 

[Hatbox Ghostbuster]

You know what? For all the perceived "evil" these brides were going to be subjected to after they were auctioned off...if you actually look at the original scene...the redhead and fat lady surprisingly looked...

...

...

...dare I even say it...

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...happy!

 

[George Lucas on a Bench]

How dare you. You're obviously a filthy communist for thinking that.

 

[TROR]

Just something worth pointing out, as previously mentioned there's a new bartender character in the auction scene that appears to be reusing one of the pirates. In WDW, however, the pirate remains. Just an odd difference.

 

[Deleted member 107043]

You know what? For all the perceived "evil" these brides were going to be subjected to after they were auctioned off...if you actually look at the original scene...the redhead and fat lady surprisingly looked...

...happy!

And this is where the root of the issues lies. At least for me.

 

[TROR]

You know what? For all the perceived "evil" these brides were going to be subjected to after they were auctioned off...if you actually look at the original scene...the redhead and fat lady surprisingly looked...

...

...

...dare I even say it...

...

...happy!

I feel like this part of the scene gets really overlooked. The women being auctioned off are all undesirables who cannot find love (remember that Carlos's wife was not taken out of her home in the scene prior). Let's look at the cast of characters here...

From left to right we start off with an old woman who's likely a widow. The following two are traditional old maids who never found love and one is so ecstatic at the opportunity for a husband she's crying tears of joy. Then the next one is just ugly. I mean, look at that fast. NASTY!

Of course, there's also Tiny and the Redhead. With Tiny, if you look at her face and gestures, it's clear she wants to be wed. Her smile and the way her hands are posed give it away.

Then the redhead's intent and desires are incredibly clear. While all the other women are in their nightgowns, the redhead got dressed, put on a corset to lift her bosom, did up her hair, and put on make up. She's a flirt who desires the pirate life (of course, now she has it) and this is only confirmed further in "Portrait of Things to Come" in the grotto.

The intent of this is made incredibly clear in the concept art by Marc Davis that even shows the women fawning over the pirates.

There's so much depth in this scene that the new one so greatly lacks.

 

[George Lucas on a Bench]

Pirates was always so blase about any of these perceived issues that you can't help but respect and defend it. It's like that scene in Spider-Man 2 where Peter Parker doesn't do anything about a kid getting beat up in an alley. We sympathize with him. We don't think he's a jerk.