Pirates refurb dates released

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shortstop

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JD2000 said:
For those critical of the new auction scene;

It sounds as you have an issue with specific dialog about the chickens, is that correct? Are you satisfied with the rest?

And you believe there is too much focus on Redd, and she either needs to say nothing or far less? I personally feel there may now be too much focus on Redd and not enough on the Auctioneer and the rest on the scene. But that could just be due to Redd standing out right now because she never talked or moved before. But I am not sure. It could be more (such as exaggerated movement).
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People liked the redhead but she was never the focus of the scene. Nobody ever wanted her to talk or be the focus. The new scene flat out isn’t funny. It doesn’t make sense, there’s no punch line, and the dialogue is annoying, both in terms of script and line delivery.
 
SuddenStorm

SuddenStorm

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JD2000 said:
For those critical of the new auction scene;

It sounds as you have an issue with specific dialog about the chickens, is that correct? Are you satisfied with the rest?

And you believe there is too much focus on Redd, and she either needs to say nothing or far less? I personally feel there may now be too much focus on Redd and not enough on the Auctioneer and the rest on the scene. But that could just be due to Redd standing out right now because she never talked or moved before. But I am not sure. It could be more (such as exaggerated movement).
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My criticisms are the dialogue, design of the new redhead, and frankly, the cheapness of the change.

Disney tried to have it both ways- retain the iconic scene, with nothing that made that scene iconic. Now it serves as a bitter reminder of what once was, and I'd be far more accepting if they had reimagined that area from scratch, making a scene that fits in with the rest of the ride, solves whatever PC issues they had with the original, and is better than what was there before.
 
Hatbox Ghostbuster

Hatbox Ghostbuster

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JD2000 said:
For those critical of the new auction scene;

It sounds as you have an issue with specific dialog about the chickens, is that correct? Are you satisfied with the rest?

And you believe there is too much focus on Redd, and she either needs to say nothing or far less? I personally feel there may now be too much focus on Redd and not enough on the Auctioneer and the rest on the scene. But that could just be due to Redd standing out right now because she never talked or moved before. But I am not sure. It could be more, such as exaggerated movement.
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No offense, but I feel like you keep trying to make us like the change, or at least admit it's not as awful as we all think it is. Good luck ;)

IMO the auction scene used to be a feature for the Auctioneer (shocker!) and the wonderful Paul Frees voice work.
But now with the change, the scene definitely favors Redd and turns her into the focal point, while devolving the rest of the scene to feature the selling of chickens.

Micechat lovingly referred to this change as being "Pirates of the Caribbean for the #metoo generation". That alone says it all.
 
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JD2000

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shortstop said:
People liked the redhead but she was never the focus of the scene. Nobody ever wanted her to talk or be the focus. The new scene flat out isn’t funny. It doesn’t make sense, there’s no punch line, and the dialogue is annoying, both in terms of script and line delivery.
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But she was the greatest focus. Although the scene used to be more balanced though. It was the obvious empowered woman agenda that ruined that.

As for the dialogue, it continues to be humorous (at least to me) when you read through it; as you know what they're actually talking about.

"we wants the rum!" = "we wants the red head!"
"strike your feather dearie, show 'em your flock." = "shift yer cargo, dearie, show 'em your larboard side."

But I can definitely see where you are coming from, and why people could be turned off by that. And be constantly reminded of what it once had been.
 
Hatbox Ghostbuster

Hatbox Ghostbuster

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JD2000 said:
But she was the greatest focus. Although the scene used to be more balanced though. It was the obvious empowered woman agenda that ruined that.

As for the dialogue, it continues to be humorous (at least to me) when you read through it; as you know what they're actually talking about.

"we wants the rum!" = "we wants the red head!"
"strike your feather dearie, show 'em your flock." = "shift yer cargo, dearie, show 'em your larboard side."

But I can definitely see where you are coming from, and why people could be turned off by that. And be constantly reminded of what it once had been.
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The dialogue isn't funny. It's a horrible parody of the original scene that captures none of its cleverness. It's like they literally laid out the original version and then did a Mad Libs to come up with new stuff, hoping it would come across as a *wink* to people who were fond of the original.
 
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JD2000

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SuddenStorm said:
My criticisms are the dialogue, design of the new redhead, and frankly, the cheapness of the change.

Disney tried to have it both ways- retain the iconic scene, with nothing that made that scene iconic. Now it serves as a bitter reminder of what once was, and I'd be far more accepting if they had reimagined that area from scratch, making a scene that fits in with the rest of the ride, solves whatever PC issues they had with the original, and is better than what was there before.
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I guess Disney felt they would have received far more criticism had they not kept the auction scene. And I would have to agree.

I am frankly not sure what people were expecting.
 
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JD2000

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Hatbox Ghostbuster said:
No offense, but I feel like you keep trying to make us like the change, or at least admit it's not as awful as we all think it is. Good luck ;)

IMO the auction scene used to be a feature for the Auctioneer (shocker!) and the wonderful Paul Frees voice work.
But now with the change, the scene definitely favors Redd and turns her into the focal point, while devolving the rest of the scene to feature the selling of chickens.

Micechat lovingly referred to this change as being "Pirates of the Caribbean for the #metoo generation". That alone says it all.
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You got me!

But seriously, nobody feels they are being too subjective and clinging onto nostalgia? I was once against this change. But have come to accept it objectively.

:)
 
Hatbox Ghostbuster

Hatbox Ghostbuster

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JD2000 said:
You got me!

But seriously, nobody feels they are being too subjective and clinging onto nostalgia? I was once against this change. But have come to accept it objectively.

:)
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And that's totally fine. For me (and I'm sure others), it will always reek of short-sighted, knee-jerk reactionism and not an intent to actually make the attraction as a whole, better.
 
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JD2000

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Hatbox Ghostbuster said:
The dialogue isn't funny. It's a horrible parody of the original scene that captures none of its cleverness. It's like they literally laid out the original version and then did a Mad Libs to come up with new stuff, hoping it would come across as a *wink* to people who were fond of the original.
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So there are people who view that as distasteful. I understand. I am genuinely surprised that it works for me. But it does.
 
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JD2000

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Hatbox Ghostbuster said:
And that's totally fine. For me (and I'm sure others), it will always reek of short-sighted, knee-jerk reactionism and not an intent to actually make the attraction as a whole, better.
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Yeah, it wasn't necessary. I can't disagree with that.

If there is one positive that maybe everyone could see about this new auction scene. It is no longer a nearly identical to the scene right beforehand.

;)

EDIT: You know, a line of townsfolk, of the same gender, each tied together, to be assaulted.
 
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Hatbox Ghostbuster said:
I guess I'm just not a fan of knee-jerk reactions tied to social media led "movements". The way our society functions and classifies itself continues to blow my mind.
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I hear you, however it doesn't seem as though that's what this was since it was announced before the MeToo movement became a thing. Seems like society was already moving in that direction and Disney happened to debut the new scene at DL at a pivotal moment.

As I said in another thread I've always felt, even as kid back in the 70s, that Redd willingly offering herself for sale to drunken pirates in a scene depicting human trafficking was a bit troubling for a number of reasons. So, regardless of the motive or the quality of the new scene, I'm just glad that the old one is gone.
 
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To criticize something else. I didn't notice the literal reversal made within the chase scene until today. You once had three (of the four) Pirates chasing Woman. But now? It is the exact opposite. It doesn't even make sense. Are these Pirates suddenly not dangerous? Disney couldn't have just given the Woman something else of value (treasure or food), except for the Mother Hen, who instead does the chasing? That would have preserved the comedy but removed the issue certain people had with the scene. Perhaps one day.
 
SuddenStorm

SuddenStorm

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JD2000 said:
To criticize something else. I didn't notice the literal reversal made within the chase scene until today. You once had three (of the four) Pirates chasing Woman. But now? It is the exact opposite. It doesn't even make sense. Are these Pirates suddenly not dangerous? Disney couldn't have just given the Woman something else of value (treasure or food), except for the Mother Hen, who instead does the chasing? That would have preserved the comedy but removed the issue certain people had with the scene. Perhaps one day.
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Isn't that a 1997 change? Or did they change it again?
 

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