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Princess Leia
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Kingoglow
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On topic: I simply feel that Disney could do a lot of good by adding something new that is uniquely male for the boys. That are far far FAR too many princess at this point. I think it would be nice of them to make a money with the prince as the central figure and not just some boyfriend (Frozen) or lustful object (Mulan) or comic relief (Moana - actually almost all the Disney films).
We take our boys the Disney films a lot, but we are worried that it will affect their sense of self; that they will never be more than a side kick.
We take our boys the Disney films a lot, but we are worried that it will affect their sense of self; that they will never be more than a side kick.
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Grazia
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Aladdin, Sword in the Stone, The Lion King, Hunchback of Notre Dame, Hercules, Tarzan, Rescuers Down Under, Atlantis, Emperor's New Groove, Wreck it Ralph, Cars, Big Hero 6, Treasure Planet, Meet the Robinsons..
Bairstow
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The lack of popular characters that appeal to boys is a big part of the reason Disney bought Marvel and Star Wars, too.
Other than Stitch and Jack Sparrow, Disney hadn't had much luck getting things to work.
disneygeek90
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Lightning McQueen, Woody and Buzz do pretty well for themselves. Good enough for 3 movies, at least.
Princess Leia
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Technically, all are Pixar. But I get what you're saying
disneygeek90
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Pixar is still DisneyTechnically, all are Pixar. But I get what you're saying
They're actually my favorite movies. Their lineup is extremely universal, imo, relatable to girls, boys and adults.
disneygeek90
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Anyway, I'm interested in seeing a new scene. While we've had subtle Sparrow additions over the years, maybe they will have updated/new model AA's in the scene as well that will look nice.
CaptainAmerica
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Subtle, huh? I don't hate the Jack Sparrow stuff like a lot of people do but I definitely wouldn't call those additions "subtle."
bclane
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My experience with the Jack Sparrow additions reminds me of my feelings about Star Wars Episode I TPM. At first, I liked it (finally a new Star Wars!!! Look it's Jack Sparrow!). Then, I realized it kinda sucked (Jar Jar Binks!!!! Jack again!?). Now I don't mind it so much and can forgive the bad parts and just enjoy what has always been good. Lol!
disneygeek90
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I guess I don't really care about him so I just ignore him most of the time
HMF
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In the old days Disney used to market their films to the whole family. Then the "Princess" brand and it's inevitable aftermath happened.
HMF
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unlike Marvel.Pixar is still Disney
Princess Leia
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It's been a pretty interesting shift. Growing up, my sister and I had a lot of merchandise (pajamas, plates, toys, clothes, CDs, etc) based on 4 individual films that came out in a 3 year time frame: The Lion King, Pocahontas, Toy Story, and Hunchback. I suppose that technically, 3 of those skewed male, but none of them had "GIRL MOVIE" stamped across them (Side note- while Pocahontas is a Disney Princess (TM), her movie, like Snow White and Mulan, is pretty male-heavy. We're introduced to John Smith first, and Pocahontas isn't seen until several minutes into the film). I'm not sure if it's because those 4 movies were practically a part of my daily routine or what, but they're still 4 of my favorites.
Flash forward 21 years- I have 4 little cousins on my dad's side, 2 girls, 2 boys, all under the age of 4. I can't speak for the infants (except that the 1 year old loves the Moana soundtrack), but there's definitely a shift in what Disney caters to each gender. The 3 1/2 year old girl only likes Princesses (including Princess Leia
). She has several books that are collections of Disney Princess stories (that all happen after their individual films), and Frozen everything. The 3 year old boy is mostly drawn to 'boy things':Star Wars, Marvel, Batman... and Moana. He loves everything about Moana, which gives me hope.
RoysCabin
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It's been a pretty interesting shift. Growing up, my sister and I had a lot of merchandise (pajamas, plates, toys, clothes, CDs, etc) based on 4 individual films that came out in a 3 year time frame: The Lion King, Pocahontas, Toy Story, and Hunchback. I suppose that technically, 3 of those skewed male, but none of them had "GIRL MOVIE" stamped across them (Side note- while Pocahontas is a Disney Princess (TM), her movie, like Snow White and Mulan, is pretty male-heavy. We're introduced to John Smith first, and Pocahontas isn't seen until several minutes into the film). I'm not sure if it's because those 4 movies were practically a part of my daily routine or what, but they're still 4 of my favorites.
Flash forward 21 years- I have 4 little cousins on my dad's side, 2 girls, 2 boys, all under the age of 4. I can't speak for the infants (except that the 1 year old loves the Moana soundtrack), but there's definitely a shift in what Disney caters to each gender. The 3 1/2 year old girl only likes Princesses (including Princess Leia
It's an interesting and in many ways important shift that's happening, though I agree with those who would like to see a de-emphasis on the princess brand...there's nothing inherently wrong with princesses, just that it's nice to see more varied depictions of female leads, which has certainly happened in movies like Zootopia and the new Star Wars stuff, among others.
It can strike some as a rough transition because I think without realizing a lot of us take it for granted that the "default" protagonist character in most stories that get heavily pushed as a big deal tends to be male, with their story a bit more "male-centric" (for lack of a better term), so any shift toward attempting to balance out those scales can seem disproportionate if only because of the historical lack of really strong female leads in a lot of adventure stories.
If Disney wanted to take stuff like that into account while doing some alterations to rides like Pirates, I'd understand it; again, times change, knowledge changes, people who might not have had much of a creative input before now have a bit more of a voice. But it'd be nice for them to get these Pirates rides back into a cohesive whole in some way, shape, or form, and it does bum me out that they're just moving further, it seems, in the Jack Sparrow direction...I don't hate Jack at all, but the films aren't going to end up as timeless as a more general take on piracy.
disneygeek90
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Did anyone even see the newest PotC movie? What was the overall perception of it's success? It seemed to come and go quietly. I don't think I've seen any since the second movie.
KBLovedDisney
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While looking up the critic reception on the movie on Wikipedia, I came across the following:
Hacking incident[edit]
In May 2017, the film was allegedly stolen by a group of piracy hackers, who demanded a large sum of money from Disney in order for them not to distribute the unreleased film. The company refused to do so and worked with the FBI in order to get the identity of the group.[141]
Pirates have gone after pirates!!
KBLovedDisney
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But no, haven't seen it yet, but I haven't heard anything about it. Good nor bad.
But on Wiki, it mostly had mixed reviews.
But on Wiki, it mostly had mixed reviews.