Pirates of the Caribbean Auctioneer/Redhead Changes NO POLITICS or SOCIAL ISSUES, PLEASE!

King Panda 77

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Firstly apologies to The Mom .
Secondly if they are changing this scene to what is suggested then could they not put the redheaded pirate lady in more of the ride to make a better full story. Also it would give filmmakers a new lead for future films.
 

bclane

Well-Known Member
Firstly apologies to The Mom .
Secondly if they are changing this scene to what is suggested then could they not put the redheaded pirate lady in more of the ride to make a better full story. Also it would give filmmakers a new lead for future films.
Great idea!
 

KBLovedDisney

Well-Known Member
Maybe overall, the change to the redhead scene is not supposed to follow anytime lines whatsoever. Maybe Disney is just doing this to make it kid friendly as kids today relate to pirates via the Pirates of the Caribbean movie franchise...just a thought.

Maybe one day Disney will revamp the ride completely to reflect the movies entirely. Granted a part of me doesn't like the idea because nostalgia, but Disney at the same time wants to keep to the present with just the same amount of magic. (and I could seriously go on and on..)
 

HauntedMan

Member
Firstly apologies to The Mom .
Secondly if they are changing this scene to what is suggested then could they not put the redheaded pirate lady in more of the ride to make a better full story. Also it would give filmmakers a new lead for future films.
The films have already had a representation of the Redhead with the character "Scarlett," and I think it's safe to assume they won't be bumping her up to leading lady status.
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pumpkin7

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I haven't read the other thread but I haven't been on here for a while, and boy did I miss you guys! I follow a number of facebook Disney groups and the majority of people have responded with 'good! who wants a scene that promotes human trafficking anyway? it could be a trigger!'... I'm sure most of you can see why that is a moronic statement.

Anyway, yous guys going on about changing dialogue... what on earth are they going to do when they decide that the lyrics to the Pirates theme are no longer PC and they decide to re-record it? I bet most of the original cast are long gone. I always worry when they refurb a ride with Thurl Ravenscroft in. He has such a telling voice and it would be a shame ever to lose that. Granted, he is in many attractions and we've already lost a bit of his work (looking at you, Jamboree!).

And yeah, get rid of Barbossa in his ridiculous 4 costume. He either needs to be in original garb and actually look like Barbossa, or he needs to go away. Not like he's relevant anymore anyway after 5!
 

Bocabear

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I said a while back and I still think the best version is to completely change the WDW version to the Shanghai version...It is the worst of all the POTC rides...the cliff notes version... Keep the Disneyland and Paris versions which are both superior intact, and change out Florida version to the all new format.
 

HauntedMan

Member
I said a while back and I still think the best version is to completely change the WDW version to the Shanghai version...It is the worst of all the POTC rides...the cliff notes version... Keep the Disneyland and Paris versions which are both superior intact, and change out Florida version to the all new format.
No thanks. I'd still take bastardized cliff-notes POTC over Jack Sparrow's Underwater Screen Adventure With No Pirates In It.
 

RoysCabin

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Changes like this can happen from time to time, I suppose, as the sensibilities shift and what have you, but the greater issue at play, at least to me, is that it's hard to know what these rides are even about anymore.

I was saddened over the years to see stuff from the PotC movies introduced into the Orlando ride; I remember always hearing about how the original ride was better, but the more I read about it the more I thought the WDW version got a bit of a bum rap from people, as the work done to give it a sense of cohesion was actually pretty good, from the barker bird to the voices outside the fortress exterior shouting about spotting pirates incoming, to the long queue carrying us through the dungeon and other areas, it gave the ride an identity distinct from the time/space displacement and moral story of the original even while retaining a number of the same scenes and sequences.

Yet, when they brought Captain Jack in I shrugged a bit and figured it might be alright, since perhaps they were never completely comfortable with the changes at WDW and figured it was better to take things in a different direction. However, they then introduced the new Fast Pass system and completely upended the well done queue, as well, and combining that with blasting the movie score around Caribbean Plaza it just really killed the setting and nullified a lot of what was intended in the original design and architecture.

Last week really hit me hardest, though; I got to take my first trip to Disneyland, and of course Pirates was at the top of my list of must-do attractions, because I was operating under the assumption that Disneyland's version hadn't inserted stuff from the movies and had retained its original design. Man, did my heart sink the moment I saw the mist screen and Davey Jones' face on it saying something pointless at me. There's a ride where the entire conceit is a trip through space and time to see the pirates looting and pillaging, ending with the pirates drunkenly and stupidly bringing about their own destruction at the end, coupled with the rise back up that's meant to signify us returning to the present day and place (in this case, the Blue Bayou), but now with all the "Where's Cap'n Jack?!" nonsense thrown in to completely throw the entire thing off course and off theme.

So yeah, individual scenes can change; what worked in the 60s might not click so well come the 2010s, and that in and of itself doesn't bother me so much. Yet what even is Pirates of the Caribbean anymore? As best I can tell, as an attraction it's now little more than another commercial for an existing property that's been around since the early 00s, as if we all don't know what it is already or wouldn't go and see it without the ride being altered to remind us to...and honestly, it's kind of sad. Makes me fear what could've happened to the different Haunted Mansions had the Eddie Murphy movie not bombed.
 

HauntedMan

Member
I was saddened over the years to see stuff from the PotC movies introduced into the Orlando ride; I remember always hearing about how the original ride was better, but the more I read about it the more I thought the WDW version got a bit of a bum rap from people, as the work done to give it a sense of cohesion was actually pretty good, from the barker bird to the voices outside the fortress exterior shouting about spotting pirates incoming, to the long queue carrying us through the dungeon and other areas, it gave the ride an identity distinct from the time/space displacement and moral story of the original even while retaining a number of the same scenes and sequences.
Yes, I always thought the original WDW ride was great as a kid without any knowledge of how it was different from the DL POTC. It was such a joy to peer down through those bars and see the skeletons at the chess board while that eerie guitar music strummed in the background. I don't think the absence of the bayou and extra cave scenes makes it "worse" necessarily.
 

HMF

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You're right that changing one scene doesn't kill the ride. I wish that was the only change though... For example, as someone pointed out the other day, Jack Sparrow isn't even in the same timeline as the PoTC ride. In my opinion (for what its worth lol), if Disney wants a Jack Sparrow ride they need to just give us the Shanghai version Otherwise, to me it makes no sense to have him pop up 100 times in the current ride. Just my opinion though. :angelic:
He only pops up 3 times though he is name-dropped 12 times.
 

HMF

Well-Known Member
Changes like this can happen from time to time, I suppose, as the sensibilities shift and what have you, but the greater issue at play, at least to me, is that it's hard to know what these rides are even about anymore.

I was saddened over the years to see stuff from the PotC movies introduced into the Orlando ride; I remember always hearing about how the original ride was better, but the more I read about it the more I thought the WDW version got a bit of a bum rap from people, as the work done to give it a sense of cohesion was actually pretty good, from the barker bird to the voices outside the fortress exterior shouting about spotting pirates incoming, to the long queue carrying us through the dungeon and other areas, it gave the ride an identity distinct from the time/space displacement and moral story of the original even while retaining a number of the same scenes and sequences.

Yet, when they brought Captain Jack in I shrugged a bit and figured it might be alright, since perhaps they were never completely comfortable with the changes at WDW and figured it was better to take things in a different direction. However, they then introduced the new Fast Pass system and completely upended the well done queue, as well, and combining that with blasting the movie score around Caribbean Plaza it just really killed the setting and nullified a lot of what was intended in the original design and architecture.

Last week really hit me hardest, though; I got to take my first trip to Disneyland, and of course Pirates was at the top of my list of must-do attractions, because I was operating under the assumption that Disneyland's version hadn't inserted stuff from the movies and had retained its original design. Man, did my heart sink the moment I saw the mist screen and Davey Jones' face on it saying something pointless at me. There's a ride where the entire conceit is a trip through space and time to see the pirates looting and pillaging, ending with the pirates drunkenly and stupidly bringing about their own destruction at the end, coupled with the rise back up that's meant to signify us returning to the present day and place (in this case, the Blue Bayou), but now with all the "Where's Cap'n Jack?!" nonsense thrown in to completely throw the entire thing off course and off theme.

So yeah, individual scenes can change; what worked in the 60s might not click so well come the 2010s, and that in and of itself doesn't bother me so much. Yet what even is Pirates of the Caribbean anymore? As best I can tell, as an attraction it's now little more than another commercial for an existing property that's been around since the early 00s, as if we all don't know what it is already or wouldn't go and see it without the ride being altered to remind us to...and honestly, it's kind of sad. Makes me fear what could've happened to the different Haunted Mansions had the Eddie Murphy movie not bombed.
Yeah, I would propose a deal where Disney can do anything they want with the Auction scene but restore all the original audio to the Bombardment and well scene.
 

180º

Well-Known Member
Based on the concept art, most of the background characters may just need a re-dressing, but the redhead seems to be in a slightly different pose. Will there be a new figure altogether or might they just re-dress her as well?
 

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
So with the other thread shifting into the political, any chance we can have a discussion about the actual change itself while keeping the social issues in the other thread?

The other thread for social discussion can be found here: http://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/the-redhead-is-changing.928716/

As for this scene, I think they would be better off with a total wholesale change to the scene. The redhead is iconic, as is the auctioneer, but if the scene is inappropriate, why not retire them outright? What Imagineer wouldn't love the opportunity to create an entirely new scene for this space? It could be sword fighting pirates, or could be an explosion sequence, it could be a combination of all of them. Instead the new proposal appears to keep the characters but ignore the rolls they once played. That doesn't work as well (see Figment).

My question is why does Disney feel the need to break an iconic attraction?
 

RSoxNo1

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Original Poster
Thanks @The Mom for cleaning this up.

Do we have a time frame for the refurb other than, "2018"? Is it safe to assume that both The Redhead and The Auctioneer will be A100 animatronics (or equivalents)?
 

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