PHOTOS - Inside the interactive indoor queue set to open in July at Dumbo

nepalostparks

nepalostparks

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Horizons1 said:
I guess you could argue that, but that's a really lame interactive element. And I use the word interactive lightly. People are going to expect different things, so whatever. It's not like it really matters. But I would have preferred Disney used the word playground instead of interactive elements.
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Until I see it myself and can make a fair assessment, I'm not looking to judge it as good, bad, lame, cool, etc.

I'm just using the information that has been provided by Disney to remind some of the posters that what their expectations might be on the addition are not necessarily a result of what Disney did or said as they are arguing.
 
dreamscometrue

dreamscometrue

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Horizons1 said:
Don't defend mediocrity. You know why people on here had such high expectations? Because Disney billed this as being a revolutionary step in building queues. They sold everyone how this would be a great new breakthrough in the design of queues and that got everyone excited. Well, as we can see, it's bait and switch. This is nothing spectacular. It's a mall playground while holding a restaurant pager. People expect so much because this is Disney. Disney used to be about creating NEW and GROUNDBREAKING things. But whoever is running WDW has lost sight of that now. Somewhere soon there needs to be some sort of shakeup.
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'Mediocrity' is subjective. Some of the things that people complain about as being mediocre at WDW are, in the eyes of many others, not mediocre at all. There are people on these boards who might not think the queue mediocre. Sorry, you don't get to decide that for them. (It's not often you however. A common issue on here is a small group of people telling us how we should feel and why we should be upset with TDO and WDW, but they simply see the world differently than many of us. I'm sure they're very nice people.)

I don't think Disney ever tried to sell the queue as "spectacular" as you stated above. It's different than any other attraction queue I've seen at WDW, so it is unique in that respect. Unique, different, but not spectacular. It's a place where parents of little ones can sit in A/C (not the Adventurer's Club, so relax people), let their kids have fun and expend some energy, then ride. That's not a bad thing all 'round for parents and children.

If this queue is further evidence for you that TDO has lost it's way, I can't understand why you would be on a WDW fansite or visit WDW (if you in fact still do). That's the same query I have for the other 2 dozen absolute miserable souls on here who bemoan TDO and the state of WDW, day after day and post after post. What's wrong with you people? Why are you still here? If I was that miserable and disillusioned, I'd be on a Uni or 6 Flags fan site and sure as hell not spending money at WDW or waste my time talking about it everyday.

P.S.-This post was inspired by the "Your last nerve =)" location in your info. Thanks...I feel better now. :wave:
 
DznyRktekt

DznyRktekt

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It is sad that when a group doesn't agree with others, they are questioned why they are still around, or told that a thread should be shut down do to the differing opinions. Putting on my rose colored glasses and pretending that all is perfect. Sheesh.
 
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Pixiedustmaker

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bubbles1812 said:
Agreed. It never made that much sense to me that they would put so much into a queue for what is essentially, a toddler's ride. Why spend oodles and oodles of money for a group that can't fully appreciate it?

And to the Just Plain Mark who said it's not interactive...what does interactive mean to you? Did you not see the video? Kids were running around playing on structures (and the one adult)...that's pretty darn interactive to me...
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To quote Walt Disney regarding Disneyland,

"Your dead if you aim only for kids. Adults are only kids grown up, anyway."

Kids love the Dumbo spinners, their parents and adults enjoy (not just tolerate) the nice atmosphere in Fantasyland. Adding some magic to the queue that everybody can participate in would have been better, IMHO.

Walt didn't underestimate the intelligence of children,

"Adults are interested if you don't play down to the little 2 or 3 year olds or talk down. I don't believe in talking down to children. I don't believe in talking down to any certain segment. I like to kind of just talk in a general way to the audience. Children are always reaching."

The new Dubmo queue is NOT interactive and with cheap decorations and standard McDonald's play equipment lightly themed doesn't help kids explore their imagination or reach to enjoy something a little more complex.

Walt would have loved all of the new computer technology, and he would have wanted to build something interactive and totally in the queue. In the video one kid steps on a "trampoline", which is just a plastic board and a couple seconds later it lights up. Weird and kinda pathetic if that's all they can come up with. To quote Walt again,

"It's no secret that we were sticking just about every nickel we had on the chance that people would really be interested in something totally new and unique in the field of entertainment."
 
bubbles1812

bubbles1812

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Pixiedustmaker said:
To quote Walt Disney regarding Disneyland,

"Your dead if you aim only for kids. Adults are only kids grown up, anyway."

Kids love the Dumbo spinners, their parents and adults enjoy (not just tolerate) the nice atmosphere in Fantasyland. Adding some magic to the queue that everybody can participate in would have been better, IMHO.

Walt didn't underestimate the intelligence of children,

"Adults are interested if you don't play down to the little 2 or 3 year olds or talk down. I don't believe in talking down to children. I don't believe in talking down to any certain segment. I like to kind of just talk in a general way to the audience. Children are always reaching."

The new Dubmo queue is NOT interactive and with cheap decorations and standard McDonald's play equipment lightly themed doesn't help kids explore their imagination or reach to enjoy something a little more complex.

Walt would have loved all of the new computer technology, and he would have wanted to build something interactive and totally in the queue. In the video one kid steps on a "trampoline", which is just a plastic board and a couple seconds later it lights up. Weird and kinda pathetic if that's all they can come up with. To quote Walt again,

"It's no secret that we were sticking just about every nickel we had on the chance that people would really be interested in something totally new and unique in the field of entertainment."
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I have a solution for you since you are that unhappy...don't go on the ride! Then you'll avoid the "horrible" new queue. Maybe it should have been geared a bit less towards toddlers (though it's fine to me) but it's a kids ride and it's also at the end of the day, just a queue, something designed to pass the time...for a ride everyone can ride (though again, geared towards toddlers). It's not like they removed that. In fact, they doubled that. They didn't have interactive queue's back in Walt's day so honestly, I have no idea what he would have wanted...whose to say he even would have liked them at all? He maybe would have said screw interactive queues, lets invest in another ride instead. But I love that you seem know exactly what Walt would have wanted...do you know him personally? Please give me an introduction as I'd like to speak for Walt.

But again, this is what we get, like it or not. And it's here to stay and unlikely to be changed in the near future. At least they are giving something new a try...it is new in the sense that there is no other queue system like that at any other theme parks. If you don't like it, go on another ride or wherever you are happiest in WDW...all I've read is negativity from you.
 
DznyRktekt

DznyRktekt

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bubbles1812 said:
I have a solution for you since you are that unhappy...don't go on the ride! Then you'll avoid the "horrible" new queue. Maybe it should have be geared a bit less towards toddlers but it's a kids ride and it's also a queue...for a ride everyone can ride (though again, geared towards toddlers). They didn't have interactive queue's back in Walt's day so honestly, I have no idea what he would have wanted...whose to say he even would have liked them at all? He maybe would have said screw interactive queues...lets invest in another ride instead. But I love that you seem know exactly what Walt would have wanted...do you know him personally? Please give me an introduction as I'd like to speak for Walt.

But again, this is what we get, like it or not. And it's here to stay and unlikely to be changed in the near future. If you don't like it, go on another ride or wherever you are happiest...all I've read is negativity from you.
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You are responding to direct quotes by Walt. Obviously not comments on Dumbo spinner queue, but his philosophies.
 
MAF

MAF

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DznyRktekt said:
It is sad that when a group doesn't agree with others, they are questioned why they are still around, or told that a thread should be shut down do to the differing opinions. Putting on my rose colored glasses and pretending that all is perfect. Sheesh.
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I love "if you don't like it, don't go to WDW". Get a new line...
 
Buried20KLeague

Buried20KLeague

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nepalostparks said:
It may not live up to your expectations, but certainly allowing guests to climb, slide, jump, play, etc is indeed interactive as opposed to standing in a switchback queue.

One could argue it is in fact more interactive than Sorcerers of the Magic Kingdom... all you do there is hold up cards in front of a screen.

How interactive it is can be interpreted by people differently, but it is interactive.
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To me, if Disney had this playground in mind from the beginning, then they completely mis-represented what they were going to do.

My guess is that plans changed... Probably quite a bit as costs in other areas of the FL Expansion grew... And this was the result. It's fairly easy to picture a meeting in a board room where the Accountanteers told WDI they had to cut some money somewhere, and WDI decided this is where it would occur, and they could get away with it by using the technical definition of "interactive". It seems to me to be the perfect example of corporate spin to justify what's taken place.



Here, instead of hearing "yes, there were other ideas we had, but it didn't work out, and what we put in place is what we thought was best for the little ones that Dumbo is aimed at", we get "hey, come on! You can climb on it! That makes it interactive!! The kids are the circus performers! You can watch the circus!"



I refuse to believe that what was actually put in place is what was originally planned... It can't be. Disney wouldn't know FOR A FACT that they were going to install a playground and then use the sorts of words they used to describe it. They just wouldn't. No one would.

It is what it is though, and it really doesn't bother me all that much. It bothers me more to spin the term "interactive" for what has resulted. That's clearly not what was intended.
 
Ciciwoowoo

Ciciwoowoo

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I do concur with what others here are saying; the original intent was changed along the way.

To be honest, from all the reading I had done on the subject, I had it in my mind that the Dumbo queue would feature carnival games. In fact, I was afraid it would be a $ pit for parents!

I am very pleased to see a playground area instead. I prefer this to "Mom, can I have $5 to win a stuffed bear?"
 
rreading

rreading

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I like it.

I just hope that the queue has a limited number of pagers and that when the pagers are used up, no other families/kids can enter the playground - that's what it is, but there's no need to complain about it - so that it doesn't get overwhelmed.

As long as it's not too packed, it should be great!
 
nepalostparks

nepalostparks

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Buried20KLeague said:
I refuse to believe that what was actually put in place is what was originally planned... It can't be. Disney wouldn't know FOR A FACT that they were going to install a playground and then use the sorts of words they used to describe it. They just wouldn't. No one would.

It is what it is though, and it really doesn't bother me all that much. It bothers me more to spin the term "interactive" for what has resulted. That's clearly not what was intended.
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The political analogy aside, your interpretation of what was meant by the few sentences Disney put out about the queue is just that - your interpretation.

I don't know what was originally intended or if the plans were modified as they progressed. And unless you were involved in the design or construction process, I have to assume you don't know either.

I also agree that it is what it is, and the queue itself in the long run isn't going to bother me one way or the other either. What bothers me, however, is that a lot of personal opinions and interpretations being thrown around in this thread with little regard to the actual facts or evidence. It's perfectly ok to have an opinion, whether positive or negative on the subject. It's another to speak for Disney as to what they intended, or that they specifically set expectation at a certain level, where this no real evidence to suggest either.
 
Buried20KLeague

Buried20KLeague

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nepalostparks said:
The political analogy aside, your interpretation of what was meant by the few sentences Disney put out about the queue is just that - your interpretation.

I don't know what was originally intended or if the plans were modified as they progressed. And unless you were involved in the design or construction process, I have to assume you don't know either.

I also agree that it is what it is, and the queue itself in the long run isn't going to bother me one way or the other either. What bothers me, however, is that a lot of personal opinions and interpretations being thrown around in this thread with little regard to the actual facts or evidence. It's perfectly ok to have an opinion, whether positive or negative on the subject. It's another to speak for Disney as to what they intended, or that they specifically set expectation at a certain level, where this no real evidence to suggest either.
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It's my opinion that the final result had to differ from what was originally intended. Not sure what's wrong with that.

And I liked my analogy. :D
 
dreamscometrue

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DznyRktekt said:
It is sad that when a group doesn't agree with others, they are questioned why they are still around, or told that a thread should be shut down do to the differing opinions. Putting on my rose colored glasses and pretending that all is perfect. Sheesh.
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This is not about disagreeing with each other in this thread. That what happens on discussion boards and is completely expected with 60,000members. My query in the last paragraph was more general than specificto that post(er). I didn't tell anyone to go away. There are a few people on here who are, according to their frequent posts, miserable with the state of WDW. I simply don't understand why these people frequent this site or WDW. That's all.
 

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