Peter Pan Queue

[RSoxNo1]

Also, can we talk about how illogical a Frozen boat ride is? The intellectual property is about frozen water, yet the ride system uses flowing water? That's like having an Up ride where the house doesn't leave the foundation.

 

[Mike S]

Speedway is still an eyesore from the Tea-Cups/Storybook Circus side of things. And Fantasyland needs an E-ticket still (SDMT is too short; Small World is sorta, not really, one; Little Mermaid is a solid C ticket) - Frozen or B&TB would be perfect for a trackless dark ride.

The trackless E Ticket would definitely have to be Frozen. There's plenty of space for it if you tear down the circus tents and possibly Casey Jr.

 

[ChrisFL]

Also, can we talk about how illogical a Frozen boat ride is? The intellectual property is about frozen water, yet the ride system uses flowing water? That's like having an Up ride where the house doesn't leave the foundation.

But it's going to themed to the sequel "Thawed"

 

[Mike S]

Also, can we talk about how illogical a Frozen boat ride is? The intellectual property is about frozen water, yet the ride system uses flowing water? That's like having an Up ride where the house doesn't leave the foundation.

About as illogical as a Frozen ride in Norway. Even more so when that ride would also be a boat ride.

 

[mahnamahna101]

I love how people are so ambitious to agree with me that it's a small world should move to Epcot, but then are not willing to do anything but repurpose the old building...

If it's a small world moves to Epcot (again, fanboy wish, not actually happening) then the next move is to demo the old building (or at least part of it).

That pathway needs to be opened, and that area opens up to put in up to 3 major attractions.

Considering it would also connect with Frontierland/Liberty's backstage space, you would then get rid of the Small World/PPF/HM bottleneck and the Big Thunder/Splash Mountain bottleneck by connecting the two areas. This would also allow more capacity (combining those backstage areas could equal up to 10,000 more for capacity... maybe even 15,000? This doesn't include Adventureland's expansion pad or the space behind Speedway either. You could feasibly add 20,000-25,000 for MK's capacity with all of the backstage space. 30,000 is pushing it, but also possible.

I wouldn't mind it, but if parking lots and a retention pond are coming behind IASW, then repurposing the building is the only thing we can do aside from expand Frontierland/Liberty Square.

130,000 for max capacity at MK would be insane... can't imagine visiting the parks during Christmas/July 4th/New Year's with that many visitors.

 

[Soarin' Over Pgh]

PPF needs a new face and ride update, the tea cups could really use a nice roof like the one in Paris (the photos I see of this one make me drool!) and iasw, since it's obvious Disney is not going to invest in moving the ride over to Epcot, could use a solid dusting and a new façade as well just to fit in with the NFL detail work.

I do love the work they've done on Village Haus, and I think DL's PPF façade would make a beautiful transition to Village Haus and the Tangled area.

It's such a sad misstep that more isn't being done with Frozen, Tangled, and Beauty and the Beast.

 

[mharrington]

Speedway is still an eyesore from the Tea-Cups/Storybook Circus side of things. And Fantasyland needs an E-ticket still (SDMT is too short; Small World is sorta, not really, one; Little Mermaid is a solid C ticket) - Frozen or B&TB would be perfect for a trackless dark ride.

There's no way a ride like that would fit over in the spot occupied by the Speedway. As much of an eyesore it is from the Fantasyland side of things, a Frozen or BATB dark ride would be an even bigger eyesore from the Tomorrowland side.

 

[mahnamahna101]

There's no way a ride like that would fit over in the spot occupied by the Speedway. As much of an eyesore it is from the Fantasyland side of things, a Frozen or BATB dark ride would be an even bigger eyesore from the Tomorrowland side.

Put the Frozen/B&TB dark ride where the tents are... remove the Speedway to open up expansion for Tomorrowland. Problem solved

 

[mharrington]

Put the Frozen/B&TB dark ride where the tents are... remove the Speedway to open up expansion for Tomorrowland. Problem solved

Uh, the Speedway is already part of Tomorrowland. And the Frozen/BATB dark ride would DEFINITELY not fit in the Circus area.

 

[doctornick]

I cannot even begin to imagine the backlash Disney would face if they even ever hinted at taking It's A Small World out of Fantasyland in the Magic Kingdom. This may be the strangest suggestion you have ever made, and that is saying something!

Getting rid of it entirely? Sure (though I'd be fine with it, don't care much for the ride).

Moving IASW to Epcot? I don't think people would be unhappy with that at all and most people would say it is a much better placement. IASW originated as a World's Fair ride and Epcot is basically a permanent World's Fair.

 

[doctornick]

Also, can we talk about how illogical a Frozen boat ride is? The intellectual property is about frozen water, yet the ride system uses flowing water? That's like having an Up ride where the house doesn't leave the foundation.

Agreed. Boat ride for Tangled? Makes perfect sense. But Frozen should be a ride on land -- a sleigh vehicle being the most logical.

Personally, I'd be happy to see a Matterhorn clone themed to Frozen where it looks like the North Mountain (with Elsa's ice castle on it) and where the ride vehicles are sleighs. You can even change the Abominable Snowmen to be like the snowmen monsters that Elsa creates and/or use Sven or Olaf for theming in the ride.

 

[CJR]

Imagine with me real quick, if they gutted the whole Peter Pan building and rebuilt it from scratch...

Add seating to accommodate four to five people per vehicle, add new fiber optic sets with SDMT quality animatronics, enclose the queue area and add new art work and air conditioning.

That's my dream...

 

[jt04]

Unfortunately they don't seem interested in using that land behind IaSW anytime soon since they are currently building new parking lots and a new retention pond back there.

We will definitely need aerial shots next time our eye in the sky is over WDW. Even then though the IaSW building footprint is massive.

 

[mharrington]

Imagine with me real quick, if they gutted the whole Peter Pan building and rebuilt it from scratch...

Add seating to accommodate four to five people per vehicle, add new fiber optic sets with SDMT quality animatronics, enclose the queue area and add new art work and air conditioning.

That's my dream...

I doubt that it's really feasible to rebuild the ride from scratch. I am sure, however, that they could probably update the figures inside.

 

[jt04]

I cannot even begin to imagine the backlash Disney would face if they even ever hinted at taking It's A Small World out of Fantasyland in the Magic Kingdom. This may be the strangest suggestion you have ever made, and that is saying something!

If they can remove 20K without any serious backlash they could remove IaSW. Making it exclusive (in the US) to Walt's park in Anaheim would be a positive for TWDC. Trust me on that.

 

[Mike S]

Uh, the Speedway is already part of Tomorrowland. And the Frozen/BATB dark ride would DEFINITELY not fit in the Circus area.

That's why you would take away the huge "Storybook Circus" sign and scale down the circus theme to be just around Dumbo and Barnstormer. Casey Jr. could be removed and trees could be added to the area to create a kind of buffer.

 

[doctornick]

There's no way a ride like that would fit over in the spot occupied by the Speedway. As much of an eyesore it is from the Fantasyland side of things, a Frozen or BATB dark ride would be an even bigger eyesore from the Tomorrowland side.

The Speedway footprint is huge and could easily fit two large rides. You could easily have back to back showbuildings there were one said is a FL ride and the other side is a TL ride.

 

[Soarin' Over Pgh]

That's why you would take away the huge "Storybook Circus" sign and scale down the circus theme to be just around Dumbo and Barnstormer. Casey Jr. could be removed and trees could be added to the area to create a kind of buffer.

Yeah that signage is kinda huge compared to the actual circus area.

Then again, I haven't seen it (in person) with walls down. I was there May '13 when walls were still separating SBC from TLM ride and Beast's diner.

But still, so much signage, so little circus.

 

[DougK]

If they can remove 20K without any serious backlash they could remove IaSW. Making it exclusive (in the US) to Walt's park in Anaheim would be a positive for TWDC. Trust me on that.

Either getting rid of IASW entirely or moving it to EPCOT would have the same effect. There would be major backlash from the public. In many ways It's A Small World IS Fantasyland. This ride aims at the exact age Disney is most looking to entertain (the child in all of us). It has connections to Walt. It has a song that is as well-known as just about any Disney song on the planet. By the way it is far from my favorite ride, this is not personal at all.

There would be a very negative outcry from the public if they removed IASW from MK. For example there are more people who do not buy Park Hoppers than you apparently think there are. And especially those with little children whose main focus is MK and Fantasyland may resent having to pay extra to go to EPCOT to ride IASW. Many would not do it and would therefore be upset.

I wish Steve @wdwmagic would jump in on this, I would love to hear his opinion. I do not mean his opinion on whether or not they will remove it, but whether they would even consider removing it.

 

[mahnamahna101]

Yeah that signage is kinda huge compared to the actual circus area.

Then again, I haven't seen it (in person) with walls down. I was there May '13 when walls were still separating SBC from TLM ride and Beast's diner.

But still, so much signage, so little circus.

Kiddie coaster and double Dumbos not enough? Removing some of the extra nonsense would open up some space for a dark ride. Speedway is huge, 2 E tickets there, not to mention the plot behind it could hold 3 to 4 major attractions easily.