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[MisterPenguin]

1. Epcot isn't hitting that 35%.

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[castlecake2.0]

That’s not a “special ticket event”....it’s paying twice for normal things.

And as others have noted: they chose to not take Epcot seriously for going on 25 years. “Quitting” is the standard operating procedure in that park unless everyone shows up and overpays for every booth.

It’s not sustainable...stop

I wasn’t saying this was a long term solution, was just a suggestion, and many parks have already done this so it must not be out of the realm of possibility.

Also, I’m not sure if the “stop” was for me or just in general, but it’s a discussion board for people to discuss things, I’ve never told you to stop before, we’re all just sharing thoughts and ideas.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I wasn’t saying this was a long term solution, was just a suggestion, and many parks have already done this so it must not be out of the realm of possibility.

Also, I’m not sure if the “stop” was for me or just in general, but it’s a discussion board for people to discuss things, I’ve never told you to stop before, we’re all just sharing thoughts and ideas.

Just in general...not to you.

But we...all of us...have to stop supporting the slow roll to block pricing. It won’t end well...I swear.

 

[TTA94]

We really need to get this thread back on topic lol.

 

[dreday3]

We really need to get this thread back on topic lol.

Based on absolutely nothing, I think today's announcements bode well for the returning of some kind of party - be it Halloween or some generic after-hours ticketed event.

 

[havoc315]

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Yes, but how often did it hit that capacity outside of Easter/spring break/Christmas?
Today, 3/9: MK and DHS booked, Epcot and DAK available.
3/10-DHS Only capacity park
3/11-MK and DHS at capacity, DAK and Epcot available
3/12– MK, DHS and DAK all at capacity! Epcot the only available park on 3/12
3/20- MK, DHS and DAK all at capacity, Epcot only available park!
3/21– only Epcot and DAK available
3/22-same
Fast forward
3/29 — Epcot is the only park with availability
3/30 — only Epcot
3/31– only Epcot
4/1– only epcot

In fact.. for the month of April, including Easter... Epcot is the only park that is available every single day.

So they are very rarely hitting their capacity, only when all 3 other parks are totally overflowing.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Yes, but how often did it hit that capacity outside of Easter/spring break/Christmas?
Today, 3/9: MK and DHS booked, Epcot and DAK available.
3/10-DHS Only capacity park
3/11-MK and DHS at capacity, DAK and Epcot available
3/12– MK, DHS and DAK all at capacity! Epcot the only available park on 3/12
3/20- MK, DHS and DAK all at capacity, Epcot only available park!
3/21– only Epcot and DAK available
3/22-same
Fast forward
3/29 — Epcot is the only park with availability
3/30 — only Epcot
3/31– only Epcot
4/1– only epcot

In fact.. for the month of April, including Easter... Epcot is the only park that is available every single day.

So they are very rarely hitting their capacity, only when all 3 other parks are totally overflowing.

The numbers are so low that management doesn’t frankly care who’s coming, where and at what time.

This is still “resort hibernation”...they’re playing out the string.

Which means they have zero motivation to open or offer new things. It is what it is. I’ve seen this fish before.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Yes, but how often did it hit that capacity outside of Easter/spring break/Christmas?
Today, 3/9: MK and DHS booked, Epcot and DAK available.
3/10-DHS Only capacity park
3/11-MK and DHS at capacity, DAK and Epcot available
3/12– MK, DHS and DAK all at capacity! Epcot the only available park on 3/12
3/20- MK, DHS and DAK all at capacity, Epcot only available park!
3/21– only Epcot and DAK available
3/22-same
Fast forward
3/29 — Epcot is the only park with availability
3/30 — only Epcot
3/31– only Epcot
4/1– only epcot

In fact.. for the month of April, including Easter... Epcot is the only park that is available every single day.

So they are very rarely hitting their capacity, only when all 3 other parks are totally overflowing.

Me: They're hitting capacity.

You: They are not.

Me: Proof they are.

You: But not all the time.


I'm consistent in what I said. I never said they're hitting capacity all the time.

You're not consistent in what you say. You said they don't hit capacity, when in fact they do.


My point stands. They don't need to entice more people to come while they hit capacity.

 

[havoc315]

Me: They're hitting capacity.

You: They are not.

Me: Proof they are.

You: But not all the time.


I'm consistent in what I said. I never said they're hitting capacity all the time.

You're not consistent in what you say. You said they don't hit capacity, when in fact they do.


My point stands. They don't need to entice more people to come while they hit capacity.

Not trying to nitpick.. except in good fun..

Actually.. me... "Epcot isn't hitting that 35%" (100% accurate.. today, they are not hitting capacity..)
You -- provide proof that they are going to hit it on a handful of upcoming days
Me -- provide proof that they have only hit it extremely rarely..

Both of our statements come with an unstated caveat:
I said, "Epcot isn't hitting that 35%" -- My unspoken caveat, ".... on 95% of the days of the year"
You said, "They are hitting the 35%" -- Your unspoken caveat, ".. on about 5% of the days of the year"

So let's shake hands and agree that both our statements are equally true or untrue..

And agree that Epcot could use incentives to draw guests on about 90-95% of the days in the calendar..

 

[marni1971]

Possible future announcements such as Harmonious debuting Oct 1 could make things interesting though.

Another reason to go to the MK!

2. They likely can increase capacity significantly over the summer, if they choose. Even "blue states" are having restaurants start to return to 75-100% capacity in March/April.

As stated in the Rat thread it depends on the numbers. A large spike could scupper most plans. Baby steps.

 

[Crazydisneyfanluke]

Yes, but how often did it hit that capacity outside of Easter/spring break/Christmas?
Today, 3/9: MK and DHS booked, Epcot and DAK available.
3/10-DHS Only capacity park
3/11-MK and DHS at capacity, DAK and Epcot available
3/12– MK, DHS and DAK all at capacity! Epcot the only available park on 3/12
3/20- MK, DHS and DAK all at capacity, Epcot only available park!
3/21– only Epcot and DAK available
3/22-same
Fast forward
3/29 — Epcot is the only park with availability
3/30 — only Epcot
3/31– only Epcot
4/1– only epcot

In fact.. for the month of April, including Easter... Epcot is the only park that is available every single day.

So they are very rarely hitting their capacity, only when all 3 other parks are totally overflowing.

The capacity of each park (not the %) varies from each park. EPCOT has the largest capacity. Shooting a number: 110k* is the capacity for EPCOT. 35% of 110k = 38.5k. MK capacity 95k*, 35% of that is 33,250. Not sure of DHS but that number is going to be alot smaller (50-70k?)

Just because it isn't hitting "not available" doesn't mean it isn't pulling the same numbers, or higher than other parks.

*Capacity numbers may not be accurate.

 

[havoc315]

Another reason to go to the MK!

As stated in the Rat thread it depends on the numbers. A large spike could scupper most plans. Baby steps.

Baby steps are wise. But absent massive spikes, we've seen leadership doesn't have the stomach to roll back re-openings. Now, maybe Disney will be even more cautious than anybody else.
But for example, Covid numbers have been stagnating in New York (likely due to growth of variants).. despite the pretty high level stagnation, plans are moving ahead to increase restaurant capacity, etc.

I actually support the "baby step" approach.. at the same time, I wonder if Disney is starting to use Covid as an excuse for old-fashioned budget cutting.

 

[havoc315]

The capacity of each park (not the %) varies from each park. EPCOT has the largest capacity. Shooting a number: 110k* is the capacity for EPCOT. 35% of 110k = 38.5k. MK capacity 95k*, 35% of that is 33,250. Not sure of DHS but that number is going to be alot smaller (50-70k?)

Just because it isn't hitting "not available" doesn't mean it isn't pulling the same numbers, or higher than other parks.

*Capacity numbers may not be accurate.

But the question isn't raw numbers. (I suspect the raw numbers are indeed pretty low). The question is indeed relative to capacity. If other parks are at full capacity and Epcot isn't... it means Epcot isn't doing enough to draw people away from other parks and balance out the attendance. Yes, parks with more capacity *should* draw more guests.

 

[HauntedPirate]

I actually support the "baby step" approach.. at the same time, I wonder if Disney is starting to use Covid as an excuse for old-fashioned budget cutting.

I’m pretty sure you don’t need to wonder about that.

 

[TTA94]

@marni1971 you will be having a lot of if WDW announces special ticked events or reservations for nighttime shows, especially tickets or reservations needed for the 50th lol. It’s already going to be interesting if Harm debuts with Rat on Oct 1st, then obviously MK official anniversary date.

 

[TTA94]

Anyone think they might not re debut HEA until Oct 1? Along with Harmonious at Epcot? Talk about sending the bloggers into a tizzy .

 

[ToTBellHop]

Anyone think they might not re debut HEA until Oct 1? Along with Harmonious at Epcot? Talk about sending the bloggers into a tizzy .

I think not even Disney knows.

 

[TTA94]

I think not even Disney knows.

That’s true, especially after yesterday’s announcement of Rat being held off months from now.

Maybe they are waiting to see how Spring Break plays out?

 

[yensidtlaw1969]

Anyone think they might not re debut HEA until Oct 1? Along with Harmonious at Epcot? Talk about sending the bloggers into a tizzy .

Opening a brand new attraction and premiering a new Fireworks show in the same park on the same day sounds like a recipe for bonkers crowds.

Which doesn't necessarily mean they won't do it, but I suspect they're gonna need to see a much better prognosis for the fall before committing to a move like that.

 

[TTA94]

Opening a brand new attraction and premiering a new Fireworks show in the same park on the same day sounds like a recipe for bonkers crowds.

Which doesn't necessarily mean they won't do it, but I suspect they're gonna need to see a much better prognosis for the fall before committing to a move like that.

I agree. Originally pre covid, and maybe I’m wrong on this, Harmonious was going to debut last October? The same way it went down with RoEs last performance on Sept 30th 2019 and EF on Oct 1st 2019? Based on the info of corporate packages being sold for viewings starting this October 1 makes it seem as though they plan to go back to their original plan of 2020?

Had covid never happen and Harmonious debuted last October, there wouldn’t have been massive crowds ascending on WDW during its debut. But if they feel debuting Harm on Oct 1st this year will spread out the guests and keep them all from heading to MK at night? That’s very likely what they are going to do.

If they debut Harmonious in July or August, well, there goes the big draw pulling guests away from MK and spreading everyone out on Oct 1.
Bad enough DHS and DAK will be useless at night during that time. DHS only has F! which won’t be that a big draw unless it features new things and DAK has no nighttime show... unless WDW pulls something out of the hat last minute.