News Paradise Pier Becoming Pixar Pier

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drizgirl

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Disneylover152 said:
The thing about Disney World is that their are rarely any lcoals. It's 98% vacationers. So no vacationer is going to pay $300 for Pandora when they are on a strict budget. No vacationer is going to pay $300 for 6 hours in a land with two rides when they can pay half of that for a day in the Animal Kingdom, especially if on a time crunch.

Disney knows that the AP holders / locals are going to pay for this. Not the vacationers. And there are much more locals/AP holders in California then Disney World. So much more idiots who are going to pay that money.

That's why Pandora didn't have this. Vacationers won't pay for this. It's the locals. Disney will make more money having guest previews during those times rather than a $300 ticket event.

I bet if Pandora opened in Disneyland, there would be a $300 ticket event.

TBH I would pay to go to that ticket event if it was $40-50. Not $300.
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I actually think it's because so many locals can go by themselves (or meet up with friends) and only have to buy the ticket for 1. If you're vacationing as a group and have to buy for several people, it becomes insanely out of budget really fast. It's how they were able to do the $300 Jungle Cruise event at DLR but it didn't show up at WDW.
 
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Disney Irish Bruh said:
Yes, yes I am. In order for there to be a seller there has to be a buyer. No buyer then no seller. So you want Disney to stop producing what you consider greedy tactics, then get the public to stop buying it.
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I meant your comment that @Curious Constance is "getting frustrated by someone spending money on what Disney is offering". This remark is a deflection from the main point some are making, which is that $300 tickets to a Pixar Pier preview should have never been sold in the first place.

I realize we're here because we love and admire Disney, but you seem quick to excuse almost anything Disneyland puts out for consumption. So I'm curious, what is Disney currently doing at Disneyland that grinds your gears?
 
Phroobar

Phroobar

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Dr. Hans Reinhardt said:
I meant your comment that @Curious Constance is "getting frustrated by someone spending money on what Disney is offering". This remark is a deflection from the main point some are making, which is that $300 tickets to a Pixar Pier preview should have never been sold in the first place.

I realize we're here because we love and admire Disney, but you seem quick to excuse almost anything Disneyland puts out for consumption. So I'm curious, what is Disney currently doing at Disneyland that grinds your gears?
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Disney used to do really cool exclusive offerings like the Dinner in the Haunted Mansion that honored the late Mark Davis. If I remember there was small press version and a couple night thing where you ate in the hallway and one of the stretching rooms.

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CHOX

CHOX

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Okay, I was on board at first. I really couldn’t give less of a **** about the change in theming. However, I’m with you guys now due to the certain lack of Disney’s GOOD BOY.

WHERE THE **** IS DUG, DISNEY?!?!
 
Disney Irish

Disney Irish

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Dr. Hans Reinhardt said:
I meant your comment that @Curious Constance is "getting frustrated by someone spending money on what Disney is offering". This remark is a deflection from the main point some are making, which is that $300 tickets to a Pixar Pier preview should have never been sold in the first place.

I realize we're here because we love and admire Disney, but you seem quick to excuse almost anything Disneyland puts out for consumption. So I'm curious, what is Disney currently doing at Disneyland that grinds your gears?
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You do know that the "you" in that post was not directed at her personally right?

Also you seem to confuse my posting my own explanation of why they are doing something as an "excuse" or "giving them a pass", this is not the first time you've stated I've done as such. Just because I may post in the positive or give an explanation on why I think Disney is doing something is not an "excuse", its an explanation or trying to put a positive spin on something (maybe even just for my own sake).

I can sit here and post negative comments on every project they do and call things sh&t just like everyone else. But that would do no good. Would it change anything other than added more negativity on the board, no. I can't control what Disney does, or what projects they produce, or the quality of those projects. In life the only thing I can control is how I react toward something. So I choose to try to react positively and see if I can find a reason why a decision was made. To me that is the more interesting thing, why a decision was made. So coming from a business minded sense I look at why things are done and try to come up with an explanation.

Disney has produced high quality stuff, and they have produced stuff that is cr*ptastic and forgettable since the beginning of the company. We the fandom tend to overlook the cr*p stuff done in the beginning, and in your words "make an excuse" or "give a pass". But we don't do the same now, why? For example Walt was notoriously hard and underpaid Disney employees, despite being called Uncle Walt. There is a well known story of a plumbers strike right before DL opened because of it. It caused Disneyland to not have any drinking fountains until much later after opening. But yet we hold him in such high regard but scorn current management. Look through every decade of Disneyland and I bet you'll find a cr*p project somewhere. So for every Indiana Jones there is a RocketRods.

History and Nostalgia have a funny way of making past decisions look different when looking through rose colored glasses. But take off the glasses and you notice cr*p decisions have been made since the beginning, and will continue to be made long after we are gone. Because as long as decisions are made by humans, there will be cr*ppy ones and good ones. We just have to hope there are more good ones.

And as for your question on specific things that grinds my gears at Disneyland. I've made this list before but here it is again with some additional ones just to show there are many things that I have a negative opinion on.

In no particular order:

1. Letting TL languish for so long
2. Letting 20 years go by without a major addition to DL proper
3. State of repair with the effects on Indiana Jones
4. Wasted M&G spaces like Pixie Hollow that could be used for other things
5. Not enough table service locations
6. Not purchasing more land when the opportunity arose many times over the years
7. Building DCA instead of WestCot
8. Building DCA 1.0
9. Not building retractable seating for WoC or F!
10. Bringing back nostalgia related things like MSEP. It really needed to die long ago.
11. Not taking care of the crowding projects until now
12. Switching Swiss Family to Tarzan, should have just torn it down then
13. Having entertainment buildings like FL theater sitting vacant for most of the day.
14. Not having a peoplemover anywhere in the resort area, especially from all the different parking lots
15. Not building more parking structures and keeping surface lots

And these were just the quick ones I've had off the top of my head. So never say that I "make excuses" or "give them a pass" again, because I have plenty of things that I hold their feet to the fire on. I just don't choose to express those negative opinions on a board that is already full of negative opinions.
 
TragicMike

TragicMike

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Dr. Hans Reinhardt said:
So I'm curious, what is Disney currently doing at Disneyland that grinds your gears?
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I believe it has less to do with defending everything Disney does and more tired of people constantly whining and complaining anonymously online without doing anything to change it. That's like someone considering themselves a social activist because they liked a comment on Facebook. Or constantly complaining about being fat while stuffing their face with Twinkies.

People complain about something they hate about PP, feel they've advanced their movement by voicing their opinion behind a keyboard and feel they've secured a victory for the common man over corporate greed. However, they keep going to DLR, keep paying for their AP's and they're GOING to visit Pixar Pier.
 
dweezil78

dweezil78

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Phrubruh said:
Disney used to do really cool exclusive offerings like the Dinner in the Haunted Mansion that honored the late Mark Davis. If I remember there was small press version and a couple night thing where you ate in the hallway and one of the stretching rooms.

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The majority of the really cool events like this are now done via D23. I mentioned earlier, they did the Pandora preview with Joe Rohde and dinner at Tiffins @ $250 a pop. Here's the recent DAK 20th Anniversary event they did @ $275 per person which included reserved viewing for different events throughout the day, special gifts, bonus FPs, private reception, VIP viewing of Festival of the Lion King followed by a private dinner inside the theater followed by a panel of the DAK team including Joe. All that for $25 less than this junk.

This one for EPCOT's 35th is the one I'm most bummed I didn't get to do -- it included dinner spread out at a variety of private corporate lounges followed by a WALKTHRU of Spaceship Earth. Oh yeah... for $250.

https://d23.com/d23-fanniversary-epcot-progressive-dinner-gallery/
 
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DanielBB8

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TragicMike said:
I believe it has less to do with defending everything Disney does and more tired of people constantly whining and complaining anonymously online without doing anything to change it. That's like someone considering themselves a social activist because they liked a comment on Facebook. Or constantly complaining about being fat while stuffing their face with Twinkies.

People complain about something they hate about PP, feel they've advanced their movement by voicing their opinion behind a keyboard and feel they've secured a victory for the common man over corporate greed. However, they keep going to DLR, keep paying for their AP's and they're GOING to visit Pixar Pier.
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I’m tired about the whining too, but it has nothing to do with “doing anything to change it”. There’s nothing you can do to change it. My frustration is people don’t realize that what’s happening is actually good for Disney theme parks. The complaints are misplaced. There should be complaints if the food or rides aren’t good, but they are largely in line with expectations.

So don’t buy or go if it the new stuff doesn’t interest you. Disney will make adjustments if it’s really that bad.
 
TROR

TROR

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DanielBB8 said:
I’m tired about the whining too, but it has nothing to do with “doing anything to change it”. There’s nothing you can do to change it. My frustration is people don’t realize that what’s happening is actually good for Disney theme parks. The complaints are misplaced. There should be complaints if the food or rides aren’t good, but they are largely in line with expectations.

So don’t buy or go if it the new stuff doesn’t interest you. Disney will make adjustments if it’s really that bad.
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Rejoice! For Thanos is liberating you from your pathetic lives!
 
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TragicMike said:
I believe it has less to do with defending everything Disney does and more tired of people constantly whining and complaining anonymously online without doing anything to change it. That's like someone considering themselves a social activist because they liked a comment on Facebook. Or constantly complaining about being fat while stuffing their face with Twinkies.
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Totally agree with this. I've said over and over that despite the online criticism, the IP content everywhere all the time business strategy is working very well for Disneyland. Disney's customers are eating this stuff up. All that said, that doesn't excuse Disney from not using some restraint.
 
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Disney Irish Bruh said:
You do know that the "you" in that post was not directed at her personally right?

Also you seem to confuse my posting my own explanation of why they are doing something as an "excuse" or "giving them a pass", this is not the first time you've stated I've done as such. Just because I may post in the positive or give an explanation on why I think Disney is doing something is not an "excuse", its an explanation or trying to put a positive spin on something (maybe even just for my own sake).

I can sit here and post negative comments on every project they do and call things sh&t just like everyone else. But that would do no good. Would it change anything other than added more negativity on the board, no. I can't control what Disney does, or what projects they produce, or the quality of those projects. In life the only thing I can control is how I react toward something. So I choose to try to react positively and see if I can find a reason why a decision was made. To me that is the more interesting thing, why a decision was made. So coming from a business minded sense I look at why things are done and try to come up with an explanation.

Disney has produced high quality stuff, and they have produced stuff that is cr*ptastic and forgettable since the beginning of the company. We the fandom tend to overlook the cr*p stuff done in the beginning, and in your words "make an excuse" or "give a pass". But we don't do the same now, why? For example Walt was notoriously hard and underpaid Disney employees, despite being called Uncle Walt. There is a well known story of a plumbers strike right before DL opened because of it. It caused Disneyland to not have any drinking fountains until much later after opening. But yet we hold him in such high regard but scorn current management. Look through every decade of Disneyland and I bet you'll find a cr*p project somewhere. So for every Indiana Jones there is a RocketRods.

History and Nostalgia have a funny way of making past decisions look different when looking through rose colored glasses. But take off the glasses and you notice cr*p decisions have been made since the beginning, and will continue to be made long after we are gone. Because as long as decisions are made by humans, there will be cr*ppy ones and good ones. We just have to hope there are more good ones.

And as for your question on specific things that grinds my gears at Disneyland. I've made this list before but here it is again with some additional ones just to show there are many things that I have a negative opinion on.

In no particular order:

1. Letting TL languish for so long
2. Letting 20 years go by without a major addition to DL proper
3. State of repair with the effects on Indiana Jones
4. Wasted M&G spaces like Pixie Hollow that could be used for other things
5. Not enough table service locations
6. Not purchasing more land when the opportunity arose many times over the years
7. Building DCA instead of WestCot
8. Building DCA 1.0
9. Not building retractable seating for WoC or F!
10. Bringing back nostalgia related things like MSEP. It really needed to die long ago.
11. Not taking care of the crowding projects until now
12. Switching Swiss Family to Tarzan, should have just torn it down then
13. Having entertainment buildings like FL theater sitting vacant for most of the day.
14. Not having a peoplemover anywhere in the resort area, especially from all the different parking lots
15. Not building more parking structures and keeping surface lots

And these were just the quick ones I've had off the top of my head. So never say that I "make excuses" or "give them a pass" again, because I have plenty of things that I hold their feet to the fire on. I just don't choose to express those negative opinions on a board that is already full of negative opinions.
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Thanks for the response. You seem to be expressing whatever frustrations you have with this community in your decision to only focus on the positive. Whenever anyone here has a negative opinion about Disneyland, even if there is plain-as-day evidence that the resort is making choices that puts its carefully crafted brand and legacy at risk, you are contrary and defensive. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's my takeaway from this post.

Anyway, carry on.
 
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