dweezil78
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You might want to check your maths again.
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You might want to check your maths again.
Casper Gutman
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With all due respect, this comparison is very deeply silly. Walking Dead was a popular TV show. Those have existed before and will exist again. It’s long-term impact on the pop-culture landscape will be minimal. It was also really, really bad from the start. Just an awful series.
The MCU has been revolutionary. There is absolutely nothing like it in the history of film or TV. It has changed the shape of pop culture at multiple levels. And people have been insisting it’s just a passing fad for over ten years. Look at Black Panther’s place on the all-time box office charts. Look at how much money Infinity War and Avengers 4 will make. Look at the increase in box office from Thor 2 to Thor 3. At some point, the MCU will end, but there is absolutely no evidence that that time is within sight. And even If the MCU ended tomorrow, it, along with Star Wars, would still be the most influential franchise in the entire history of film. That isn’t an exaggeration.
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Disney Irish
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IF you actually see Infinity War you will see you are completely DEAD WRONG about the MCU. After having seen it I can say its a story that once the second half is told next year will be the closing a chapter. From there they will begin a new chapter with the introduction of new characters while the older characters fade off. This is what will keep it fresh.
With the following new characters recently released or about to be released they have plenty for new chapters:
1. Ant-Man and Wasp
2. Black Panther
3. Captain Marvel
4. Eternals (in early development)
Additionally after next year once Phase 3 is completed, the MCU is basically going to move from Earth's Mightiest Heros to expanding into the universe. This is why characters like Guardians, Captain Marvel, and Eternals are important. Because they aren't bound here to stories on Earth. They span the universe of Marvel and thus the MCU.
Disneylover152
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1940-1883 = 57 years old
PB Watermelon
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I know this is perhaps wildly off-topic, but threads go where they go. My wife has two Masters, devotes her time to literacy for children. She brings home a book about animation allegedly aimed at Middle-School kids, but reads like it's aimed at third-graders. The factual errors and distortions in the book are comical and sad. I got four pages into it before my OCD kicked in and started texting her everything wrong with what I was reading, compounded by the opening sentence claiming everything in the book was true (hey, did you Pixar and Disney partnered up in 1986 to make Toy Story? Derp.) Among these, is a statement that Walt Disney's animated features were derived from fairy tales. Look, the guy made THREE features based on fairy tales. I'm all open to legitimate opinion and all of us busting each other's balls, because that's the way of the world, but can we at least set the board on legitimate facts? Snow White, Cinderella, Sleeping Beauty. THREE. The rest of the features were original concepts (Saludos Amigos, Three Caballeros, segments of Fantasia, Victory Through Air Power, etc.) or based on relatively contemporary works. That's not an opinion. It's indisputable fact. I'm so weary and even sad hearing this myth regurgitated. You'd think the man only made three animated features in his entire life.
Professortango1
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Walking Dead is an incredible show.
As for the impact of the MCU, I think you're overselling it a bit. Sure, it brought in the age of "Shared Universe," but I see that age dying as nobody has been able to successfully replicate it. Dark Universe was DOA, DC's film Universe is limping along with no signs of change, and even Fantastic Beasts has failed to capture Potter's influence. As for other impact...I just don't see it. There were smart lighthearted action flicks before the MCU and action hasn't really changed as a result of it. Sure, it brought in more superhero properties, just like Potter erupted a string of fantastical kid properties (Carnival De Freak, Bridge to Terabithia, Spiderwick Chronicles, Percy Jackson, etc).
I don't know how long the MCU will last, nor Star Wars. We're starting to see some fatigue already and smaller self-contained movies based on original characters and stories are bubbling up again. The pendulum will swing back away from overblown spectacles and then it will swing back towards it again. Its how we work as a viewing culture.
Professortango1
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The Fairy Tale Disney films were/are the biggest successes, which is why they are the ones remembered. Heck, Pinocchio is viewed as a Fairy Tale. Sword in the Stone is essentially a fairy tale as is Robin Hood, especially when presented in the way Disney presented them. Then you add in more modern films like Black Cauldron, Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin, The Little Mermaid, and Hunchback of Notre Dame and its easy to see why Disney has a reputation for being a studio that makes fairy tale flicks. Sure, these properties aren't based on the classic Perault or Grimms tales, but they are presented in a way which is synonymous with those classic fairy tales.
As for Disney's other earlier animated films which consisted of shorts; the public has forgotten them. We might remember individual shorts, but ask anybody what Melody Time is and they'll give you a blank stare. The reputation makers have always been fantastical stories of a time long ago where magic, swordfights, and evil villains exist in the every day.
Ismael Flores
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Williams and some of the other actors of the zorro series actually appeared in Disneyland more than once and only after the show became a success. Since Walt's team had built the sets for the show and he was in need for more money he made the commitment to make the 39 episode show. Due to its success of the show and the frenzy for merchandise they took immediate action and took advantage of that by selling the hot items related to that show.
The same kind of promotional things happened at park opening with Disney seeing the popularity of Davy Crocket and taking advantage of the shows success. The potential of the coonskin caps frenzy gave Walt the oppurtunity to make some much needed money.
These promotional ideas is nothing new and has been going on since park opening. Most of the time they started within days of the movie release or day of release to coincide with the media publicity of the movie.
It was not until the success of Mermaid when Disney parks started to gamble of the studios success and had some confidence to actually go all out with promoting a movie before its release with huge entertainment offerings that included parades and semi permanent attractions
as for having actors actually show up and promote their movies in character
I think that in earlier times it was easier to have stars like Guy Williams and Britt Lomand appear at the parks. People like Guy Williams found huge success because of Zorro and later lost in Space but before that many of his roles were uncredited and therefore not a huge star. add that to the discipline of people from back then and the lower level of security and cost to have an actor roam the park.
Having character actors now a days would not only be a huge cost factor for the park and studio but would require a larger preperation when i comes to security and the mob mentality of people at this time
TROR
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I'd like to us the wee hours of the morning as an excuse for my math, but...
I'll be seeing Infinity War either later today or tomorrow so I'll be able to judge it then, but even with them drastically changing the roster like you say, Irish, I don't think that matters. I've already said I do believe it'll be financially successful, but I don't think it'll ever reach the numbers we're seeing now ever again. As for the comments of TWD being a TV show and the MCU not, they're not all that different. With 3 films a year, that totals about in about seven and a half hours (about equal to an 11 episode season TV show). The MCU is also incredibly episodic with everything tying together. The phases are equal to a season of television in the way they're used. The comparison is definitely a fair one as far as the way the stories are told.
Not sure how influential the MCU really is, either, honestly. Other than the shared universe model, which no one has been able to recreate, they've done nothing unique. I've said it before, but I think the MCU will be remembered but the movies won't be. Remember The Avengers when it came out? It was one of the biggest event films of the time. But who talks about The Avengers (2012) anymore really? People still bring up movies like Raiders of the Lost Ark or Ghostbusters, but once the next MCU movie comes out, the previous one is basically forgotten. The franchises cannibalizes itself. Again, just like a TV show. You remember the show as a whole, but save for a few episodes, none of them are going to particularly stand out as they all tie together.
I'll be seeing Infinity War either later today or tomorrow so I'll be able to judge it then, but even with them drastically changing the roster like you say, Irish, I don't think that matters. I've already said I do believe it'll be financially successful, but I don't think it'll ever reach the numbers we're seeing now ever again. As for the comments of TWD being a TV show and the MCU not, they're not all that different. With 3 films a year, that totals about in about seven and a half hours (about equal to an 11 episode season TV show). The MCU is also incredibly episodic with everything tying together. The phases are equal to a season of television in the way they're used. The comparison is definitely a fair one as far as the way the stories are told.
Not sure how influential the MCU really is, either, honestly. Other than the shared universe model, which no one has been able to recreate, they've done nothing unique. I've said it before, but I think the MCU will be remembered but the movies won't be. Remember The Avengers when it came out? It was one of the biggest event films of the time. But who talks about The Avengers (2012) anymore really? People still bring up movies like Raiders of the Lost Ark or Ghostbusters, but once the next MCU movie comes out, the previous one is basically forgotten. The franchises cannibalizes itself. Again, just like a TV show. You remember the show as a whole, but save for a few episodes, none of them are going to particularly stand out as they all tie together.
lazyboy97o
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Promoting each other is something that happened, it was not the only reason for doing nor is it the same as only doing what the other has done first. There is no two way movement today. The parks are only allowed to promote what has been created and are banned from created any new content.
PB Watermelon
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I hear you, Tango. Walt made fantasy films. It was his stock and trade. He didn't just make fantasy films, but he applied a medium and a creative ethos highly suited to fantasy films, and the result is what he's known for. Fairy tales/fantasy films...not quite the same thing. I bristle a bit because there are those who dismiss fantasy films as children's films or fairy tales, despite their achievements as works of cinema, which is about as grave an insult to an artist imaginable.
Professortango1
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Fairy tales and fantasy films can be different, but they can also be the same. Execution is what differentiates it. And nothing wrong with film being called a fairy tale. Fairy tales can be made for adults too. Look at Shape of Water.
TROR
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Yeah but that movie sucked.
Phroobar
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Wasn't that movie basically about a human trying to have sex with a fish?
TROR
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Not just trying...
The script is honestly just terrible, though. It's a well directed and well acted movie, but the script alone made it undeserving of Best Picture imo.
Professortango1
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She didn't just try, she succeeded. And by halfway through the movie. Prince Eric approves.
Professortango1
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It didn't suck. I don't think it was Best Picture, but I did have a great time watching it. Michael Shannon and Sally Hawkins alone make it wonderful to watch, much less the art direction and Del Toro's direction.
Californian Elitist
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I was wondering if I was the only one who was confused about The Shape of Water’s buzz. The cinematography is gorgeous, however the film itself is pretty lackluster, in my opinion.
It didn’t completely suck.
PB Watermelon
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Hi, Tango -- no, nothing wrong with a film being called a fairy tale. But a book stating that's what Walt did when he only made three feature films based on old, established fairy tales is just flat out error. He made fantasy films, but even beyond that, he pushed the idea of animation as metaphor, and even beyond *that*, pushed the medium into places no one comprehended or thought possible. Here's something casual film fans or even casual Disney fans don't really think about...Walt took animation from "Steamboat Willie" in September of 1928 to Snow White in December of 1937. (gets out calculator) That's 109 months. Let that sink in. 109 months. It's extraordinary. Mind-blowing how far he took the medium in less than a decade, with the triumphs of Pinocchio, Fantasia, Dumbo, Bambi (and yeah, I'll say it) The Three Caballeros waiting in the wings. These are monumental achievements. Nomenclature maybe isn't important, but to the extent people regard "fairy tales" as material for children, I go with Fantasy films, or even take the deeper dive with groundbreaking cinema. We all live in the wake of those films, they deserve far more respect than is usally afforded to them, hence my annoyance when they are described in ways that are limiting -- or to use a loaded word, marginalized. Yes, these films are fantasies. So are films like The Exorcist, 2001: A Space Odyssey, Blade Runner, even The Godfather. Disney's films stand tall with the best of American cinema. Even in the rare instances where he produced films based on very, very old *fairy tales*, the skill, ambition, craft, execution, and the balls to tell those stories in new ways is breathtaking. So I bristle when people describe his work inaccurately. As Ebert once said, I don't even consider it an error of opinion ("Meh, they're kids films..."), I consider it an error of fact.
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