News Paradise Pier Becoming Pixar Pier

TROR

TROR

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egg said:
Reading comprehension seems to be lacking among some, which is no surprise, considering their accompanying opinions. :cool: Nowhere did anyone say that Disney parks are on the same level as Six Flags parks. But this coaster and surrounding area is very much like what Six Flags does. A ride that tacks on a narrative almost completely unrelated to its design, structure, movement, etc. Sea World and Universal have been guilty of this too, but this is the first time I believe Disney's stepped to such a low on a comparable scale.

There's a coaster opening in DHS next year. The very simple story is that it's a toy coaster that Andy built in his backyard. It's far from perfect. But if they tacked on a linear narrative about Russel saving Carl's neighbor's house from flying away, would that make it better?
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You could argue Gadget Go Coaster stoops this level
 
Suspirian

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I remember reading some thread on micechat a few years ago about adding Monsters Inc characters to CS who were collecting screams from the ride and I always thought what was a cute idea. I feel like Incredibles characters could be added similarly in a way that doesn't ignore the fact that your riding a wooden coaster (we know its not really wooden btw)
 
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Curious Constance

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thealmightyvance said:
I don't get why people are complaining for Disney adding a story to a ride that didn't have a story at all.
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Why does a roller coaster need a story beyond it supposed to be a wooden, pier coaster? Especially if that "story" is slapping characters on the side that just so happen to be staring in a new movie coming to a theater near you!!!!
 
Darkbeer1

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From today's OC Register.

http://www.ocregister.com/2017/12/1...-month-then-reopen-with-a-new-name-and-theme/

>>This remake will keep the existing structure, but add new elements themed to the superhero family of characters from the popular Incredibles movie, which has a sequel coming out in summer 2018.

California Screamin’ was built from steel and opened with the new park in 2001. It was designed to resemble an old-fashioned wooden coaster from pleasure piers of the 1920s. It has more than 1 mile of track, and takes riders from 0 to 55 mph in only four seconds.<<

The ride was built by Intamin, the scream shields were added due to noise regulations from the city. Note that the closed area faces away from the park, same as Ghostrider's Scream Roof on the lift hill drop. Same reason that Maliboomer had the plastic face shields added to the S&S Launch tower.

There were serious issues with the roller coaster at the start, Disney was being cheap, and failed to buy the extra train that was recommended by many, which would allow one train to be sent to the Intamin shop for major refurbs every so many hours, and instead tried to do it in house, which brought down capacity. Disney also purposely opened the coaster later than opening, and ran less trains to cut down the hours of operation during the Pressler era.
 
Rich T

Rich T

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thealmightyvance said:
Just like... wait until it comes out?? Stop judging off of concept art... IMAGINEERS KNOW WHAT THEYRE DOING!!!
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Imagineers have created awesome attractions, but they also created Superstar Limo, Stitch's Great Escape, DL's lousy Pooh ride, Rocket Rods, the horrible placement of Astro Orbiter, and other missteps. There's only so much they can do if given an underwhelming assignment or Insufficient budget.

You're absolutely right about pre-judging things based on the concept art alone, but, hey, that's what fan forums are for. :)
 
shortstop

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Rich T said:
Imagineers have created awesome attractions, but they also created Superstar Limo, Stitch's Great Escape, DL's lousy Pooh ride, Rocket Rods, the horrible placement of Astro Orbiter, and other missteps. There's only so much they can do if given an underwhelming assignment or Insufficient budget.

You're absolutely right about pre-judging things based on the concept art alone, but, hey, that's what fan forums are for. :)
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To add onto that, I don’t need to see the finished product to know that re-branding Screamin’ as an Incredibles Coaster is a bad idea. I don’t care how good the execution is, the idea is still terrible and a thematic downgrade.
 
Ismael Flores

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Professortango1 said:
1. The land is a seaside pier. The ride begins at their house. Which isn't on a pier nor associated with it in anyway.
2. The ride is clearly a representation of a woodie coaster that would be found on a pier. That doesn't tie in with the plot of attraction.

It would be like taking the Disneyland Carousel and adding Buzz Lightyear music and images where we're chasing Zurg. You're still clearly riding a Carousel horse on a carousel, but the story ignores that and that conflict takes away from the unthemed and themed experiences.
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Have been to seaside piers myself and have seen pictures and postcards that my dad has of old seaside piers. Never have I seen any of these piers where there was one continuous theme. I have seen pictures of mountains built on a Pier with an old coaster in it, haunted mansions with vampire themes as well as other oddly bizarre ideas.
I see no difference in what Disney is doing with the idea for this Pier, a collection of stories integrated into some kind of ride system. I think it’s all about stepping away from reality and getting yourself Into the storyline. Forgetting that you are in a coaster car and maybe imagining that you are one of the characters zipping thru the action.
We could say that this is similar to the original idea of the Snow White scary adventure. The guest was Snow White going thru scenes of the story. I don’t think anyone cares that you are sitting in a wooden car with dwarves names carved in them zipping thru the forest. We do the same on Pinocchio sitting on a wooden car that zips thru the wood shop and thru pleasure island and then somewhow over the ocean to be almost be eaten by a whale.
 
dweezil78

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I'm not even close to being a huge fan of the Pixar-fication of the pier, but is adding a light theme to a (nearly) unthemed coaster really going to detract from the experience? Is the current placemaking of the pier currently so realistic that you feel adding an Incredibles scene at the station is going to break this deep illusion that you've been magically transported to some real California pier far away from Disneyland?

It's funny how people whined and moaned for years about how the pier was so basic and unthemed, but now they want to cling to that...
 
bluerhythym

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Ismael Flores said:
Have been to seaside piers myself and have seen pictures and postcards that my dad has of old seaside piers. Never have I seen any of these piers where there was one continuous theme. I have seen pictures of mountains built on a Pier with an old coaster in it, haunted mansions with vampire themes as well as other oddly bizarre ideas.
I see no difference in what Disney is doing with the idea for this Pier, a collection of stories integrated into some kind of ride system. I think it’s all about stepping away from reality and getting yourself Into the storyline. Forgetting that you are in a coaster car and maybe imagining that you are one of the characters zipping thru the action.
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Obviously piers can have their own themes. But those old piers aren't trying to convince anyone that they're built over the ocean. They just are. When you're building an area 10 miles from the coast, and trying to convince people that it's a boardwalk, you have to drive home the details to preserve some idea of believability. I'm sure somewhere in the midwest there's a Hawaiian themed restaurant, but that doesn't mean a Lilo and Stitch ride would make sense on the Rivers of America.

Screamin' almost convinced me I'm on a pier coaster, as long as you look towards the bay and not towards the street poles and Convention Center. Was even better when they had the waves going, and the water wasn't full of WoC machinery. I'm never going to believe I'm Dash while I'm riding a bare bones steel coaster.
 
Rich T

Rich T

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Dr. Hans Reinhardt said:
Good point, and once the dust settles it'll still be the same ride.
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The change isn't a huge deal, aside from being kind of ridiculous (unless it turns out that The Incredibles 2 actually has a "wooden" roller coaster in its plot). I'll miss the "Second thoughts? Too late!!!" launch spiel and the excellent soundtrack. On the other hand, the station will look better and the scream tubes will be more fun. And if they do something (anything!) to make the brake run less ugly, then I'll have no complaints.
 

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