OS: Confederate Flag Removed from Epcot

[s8film40]

I don't.

I think that this is one of the first times that people will realize they had it on display.

Besides, society is changing. It's not meant for public display anymore. Museums? Sure. Living History? Sure.

I think most people don't really look at all the flags so yes I agree most weren't aware. I think I would qualify the American Adventure as a museum. I think to do that sort of attraction you have to be respectful of the history. I think if Disney can't respect the history they really don't have the moral right to put on that type of historical attraction. The removal of the flag from that hall is minor but it's the intention that bothers me. What's next removing the civil war element from the show. Ben Franklin and Mark Twain can walk out and say America was born and all was great. They force people to look at all the hard times in our country to help us appreciate the good.

 

[Matt_Black]

It's a hall of flags designed to represent the history of the US. I think it's important that the good and bad be represented.

As noted, though, it's not explained what it represents. Yes, yes, they talk about it in the show. However, if you read any of the "Good attractions to nap in" threads, you'll see that the American Adventure gets mentioned fairly often, so that particular tidbit may be lost on the snoozers.

 

[Sage of Time]

It's a hall of flags designed to represent the history of the US. I think it's important that the good and bad be represented.

In a perfect world, Disney and a theme park setting could get away with that. We'd have a much more thoughtful and enlightened populous.

 

[s8film40]

I honestly see two sides to this decision.
On one side, I think that the Confederate flag is appropriate to the attraction as a part of American history. Several of the flags displayed within this attraction can be seen with a degree of offense by some people, but such is the case with most things within the sensitivities of our current society. On the other side lies the fact that the Confederate Flag does represent several negative aspects, including the issues of slavery and treason. The fact that it has evolved into a symbol of Southern pride does not negate the core issues of all that this flag represents.

I believe that the history lessons being given here are well thought, but the bottom line remains much simpler. Disney is an entertainment based corporation, and they do that which is expedient toward profitability. If they fear widespread offense regarding any given issue, they act accordingly. Whether right or wrong, their concern revolves around people who pay large sums of money to see or not see the flag.

Yeah I agree with this but then the question that this creates is, is Disney fit to host a history based attraction like this. This attraction is different in that it really needs to be treated much like a museum would. I think it's great that an entertainment company can do something on this type of historical level, but there is a point where if they don't do it right they are doing more harm than good.

 

[s8film40]

As noted, though, it's not explained what it represents. Yes, yes, they talk about it in the show. However, if you read any of the "Good attractions to nap in" threads, you'll see that the American Adventure gets mentioned fairly often, so that particular tidbit may be lost on the snoozers.

Well I'm sure the people napping through this would be the ones complaining, I can agree with you on that.

Perhaps we will soon reach a time where history just doesn't belong in a Disney park. Very sad.

 

[disney4life2008]

I had no idea the confederate flag was even on disney property

 

[PhotoDave219]

I think most people don't really look at all the flags so yes I agree most weren't aware. I think I would qualify the American Adventure as a museum. I think to do that sort of attraction you have to be respectful of the history. I think if Disney can't respect the history they really don't have the moral right to put on that type of historical attraction. The removal of the flag from that hass is minor but it's the intention that bothers me. What's next removing the civil war element from the show. Ben Franklin and Mark Twain can walk out and say America was born and all was great. They force people to look at all the hard times in our country to help us appreciate the good.

You're hyperbole does not serve you well.

The removal of a flag may bother you but it's inclusion offends others, especially when you start reading speeches from Alexander Stephens. Some pretty abhorrent things were said Within secession documents (Texas) and Awful policies were put in place by the CSA government.

So given the things it represents? I'm fine with putting it in a museum and learning from our mistakes as a country.

 

[ABQ]

I had no idea the confederate flag was even on disney property

I honestly think most miss it as it was not the big ol' image most think of like on the roof of the General Lee, but the more subtle representation.
As posted on page 3, I believe.

 

[PhotoDave219]

Well I'm sure the people napping through this would be the ones complaining, I can agree with you on that.

Perhaps we will soon reach a time where history just doesn't belong in a Disney park. Very sad.

Again, your hyperbole isn't suiting you well.

 

[Shaman]

I hate the PC police.

I hate the Rebel Flag. Lincoln was right to force the issue and preserve the Union. Yay, liberals! The North won. The Federal government won. In the process the country rid itself of slavery...not racism. Yes Lincoln was reluctant and yes the war had other causes. Only way to know all that history is to learn it. The flag shouldn't be hidden. But the reality today is...you cannot be a patriot and take pride in THAT flag. It means you support The South over the USA. You are a Southerner before an American. It is also a flag, in modern times, that the racist and white supremacist rally around. Not my cup of tea.

The flag is part of our history (and continues to be). It is part of the American Adventure.

Bad move.

 

[s8film40]

You're hyperbole does not serve you well.

The removal of a flag may bother you but it's inclusion offends others, especially when you start reading speeches from Alexander Stephens. Some pretty abhorrent things were said Within secession documents (Texas) and Awful policies were put in place by the CSA government.

So given the things it represents? I'm fine with putting it in a museum and learning from our mistakes as a country.

It's called history. I find those who try to edit history to their liking to be very offensive, in fact I find that more offensive than those who did the terrible things in the first place because they deprive future generations from learning from past mistakes.

 

[matt78]

when you look at a barber pole, you don't reflect on the hundreds of years of slavery and injustice that the pole forced you into. what a terrible analogy

Do feel the same way about the American flag? Most of the atrocities you speak of happened under that flag and not the Confederate flag.

 

[wvdisneyfamily]

My great-grandmother's father and brother were skinned alive by European settlers because they were Native Americans. If anyone is interested in the details of the story, PM me and I will share it. History is full of tragedy and terrible inhumanity. I cringe when my son only hears the version of the story that portrays his ancestors as savages. I think the ultimate task is to use history to teach our children to learn from the sins of the past and not let inhumanity repeat itself.

 

[Disneys America]

In retrospect, it's probably a good thing that Disney's America was never built.

Hey! Wait a minute there!

 

[Sage of Time]

I hate the PC police.

I hate the Rebel Flag. Lincoln was right to force the issue and preserve the Union. Yay, liberals! The North won. The Federal government won. In the process the country rid itself of slavery...not racism. Yes Lincoln was reluctant and yes the war had other causes. Only way to know all that history is to learn it. The flag shouldn't be hidden. But the reality today is...you cannot be a patriot and take pride in THAT flag. It means you support The South over the USA. You are a Southerner before an American. It is also a flag, in modern times, that the racist and white supremacist rally around. Not my cup of tea.

The flag is part of our history (and continues to be). It is part of the American Adventure.

Bad move.

Bravo, despite our disagreement about the end result. I do think it was wise of Disney to remove the flag.

 

[asianway]

I honestly see two sides to this decision.
On one side, I think that the Confederate flag is appropriate to the attraction as a part of American history. Several of the flags displayed within this attraction can be seen with a degree of offense by some people, but such is the case with most things within the sensitivities of our current society. On the other side lies the fact that the Confederate Flag does represent several negative aspects, including the issues of slavery and treason. The fact that it has evolved into a symbol of Southern pride does not negate the core issues of all that this flag represents.

I believe that the history lessons being given here are well thought, but the bottom line remains much simpler. Disney is an entertainment based corporation, and they do that which is expedient toward profitability. If they fear widespread offense regarding any given issue, they act accordingly. Whether right or wrong, their concern revolves around people who pay large sums of money to see or not see the flag.

Treason? You have a problem with treason? Who's gonna tell him?

 

[PhotoDave219]

It's called history. I find those who try to edit history to their liking to be very offensive, in fact I find that more offensive than those who did the terrible things in the first place because they deprive future generations from learning from past mistakes.

No one's arguing that it's history.

No one is saying that it should be edited or censored.

What people are saying is that in 2015, confederate flags have come to represent some horiffic stuff and have no business being flown in our society, rather need to be placed in a museum so that future generations can learn from our abhorant mistake.

 

[PhotoDave219]

Hey! Wait a minute there!

You've got a Boy Scout camp on your site now and McMansions across the street.

 

[NormC]

It would be nice if this country would teach the true history of America and not embellishments or revisionist history. History happened and cannot be changed by writing a story or removing a flag or changing a teams name etc. I feel bad for History teachers that have to sometimes teach fiction instead of actual history. And the PC movement needs to die. The castration of America needs to stop.

 

[s8film40]

No one's arguing that it's history.

No one is saying that it should be edited or censored.

What people are saying is that in 2015, confederate flags have come to represent some horiffic stuff and have no business being flown in our society, rather need to be placed in a museum so that future generations can learn from our abhorant mistake.

Well like I said I view American Adventure as a museum. In that respect I think the flag belongs. If you just view it as an entertainment attraction they really have no business telling the story in that show that they do.