Orlando man Charged in Theme Park Scheme

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DisneyDrum

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I wouldn't worry about Tigfan; I don't think he speaks for most of the members of this forum. Life is busy and folks will be interested in hearing your story whenever you find time to post it. I'm sorry you were a victim of this scam, and I feel that this is the type of well crafted scheme that is hard to not be taken in by. It's one thing to say "I wouldn't give out my info" after reading the story, it's entirely different to actually remember that when you're on vacation.
 

wdwmomof3

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If I were a scam artist bilking people for as much as this guy did, I would think it would be worth my time to scope out the hotels and find out their room-numbering conventions. How tough could that possibly be? Have you never called a hotel and simply asked the front desk to put you through to a specific room number? You make it sound as though getting that information would require some inside information or some deep knowledge as to the lay of the land. Why would it?

That's true I guess, I'll give you that. :)
 

mrerk

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If I were a scam artist bilking people for as much as this guy did, I would think it would be worth my time to scope out the hotels and find out their room-numbering conventions. How tough could that possibly be? Have you never called a hotel and simply asked the front desk to put you through to a specific room number? You make it sound as though getting that information would require some inside information or some deep knowledge as to the lay of the land. Why would it?

In my experience, even if you know the room number the operator will ask you the name of the party that you are calling. I don't know what would happen if you didn't know the name. But maybe the perp was at the hotel and using a house phone? Are those direct dial?

Someone else mentioned that the perp was possibly trolling the front desk area and listening for names and room numbers. I don't think that would work either because, again in my experience, they usually don't say your room number out loud. They usually write it down on your resort map.

I, too would like to hear Chickapin's story once you get the chance. I'm sure it would help others prevent the same thing happening to them.
 

mrerk

Premium Member
Disney hotel phone numbers are not listed. You can, however, get the numbers from Central Reservations. I would venture to say, considering the way it was done, that he was probably a CM.

I don't have access to a LBV phone book, but the numbers are on many websites, including disneyworld.com

I'm sure if he were a CM (former or current) the Slantinel would be all over it.
 

Chickapin Chick

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As I mentioned earlier in this thread, I am one of the guests who was scammed by a con artist at WDW. Thank you to everyone who offered me kind words and advice about my experience. I will now do my best to explain what happened. I also apologize in advance for the length of this post.

Between November 30 and December 10, 2007, I was a guest at the Polynesian Resort at WDW. On Wednesday, December 5, after a long day at the Magic Kingdom, I returned to my room in order to get ready for my dinner at the California Grill. The sun was shining, the sliding balcony door was open, and I could hear the distant echoes of the "Dream Along with Mickey" show. (Random side note which really doesn’t belong here: I absolutely adored hearing the Haunted Mansion wolf howl loop from my balcony every night.)

Then, the in-room phone rang. A man who claimed to be a Disney cast member informed me that I had been chosen to attend either the Hoop-Dee-Doo Musical Review or the Polynesian Luau show at a deeply discounted rate as part of the "Year of a Million Dreams" celebration. I don’t remember if he used my name; obviously, if he did not, I admit that warning lights should have been set ablaze in my room like fireworks in the sky. But because he contacted me in my room – the number of which I thought was confidential – I believed this man was in fact a real cast member, a belief which I still don’t consider to be misguided.

I accepted his offer, deciding on Hoop-Dee-Doo. He was friendly, professional, and most importantly, very detail-oriented and specific. He even “cancelled” a reservation at Narcoossee’s at my request. I paid for the tickets with my credit card and went to dinner. (Which was fabulous, by the way; I had the most incredible goat cheese hors d'oeuvres!)

The next day, I called Disney Dining to confirm my reservation for Hoop-Dee-Doo. The cast member searched and searched, but my reservation was nowhere to be found. In fact, my reservation at Narcoossee’s was still in tact. Instinctively, I knew I had been duped. Disney security was promptly dispatched to my room, and eventually, the Orange County Sheriff’s Department. After filling out a police report, I then went to Guest Services and spoke with a very gracious and understanding manager. I conceded to him that while I might have been a bit too trusting, Disney also was accountable for the security breach. The conman had, after all, been able to contact me in my room. In an ironic twist, my Disney Visa was the credit card that been compromised; he purchased Universal Studios vacation packages valued at thousands of dollars, which he likely sold at discounted rates to other unsuspecting tourists.

Fast forward to March 2008. The Orange Country Sheriff’s Department called me just yesterday and reported to me that an arrest had been made. Apparently, the perpetrator stalked his victims; he most likely observed me entering my room or saw me outside on my third story balcony (I was located in Tokelau, just two doors down from the elevator). After matching my face with my room number, he was then able to make the offending call from a house phone on property. In light of this revelation, I find it very disturbing that a pathetic creep who has probably never had a girlfriend in his life watched me from afar.

Some conclusions:

- This experience revealed to me the ugly side of surprise giveaways such as the “Year of a Million Dreams.” Granted, crimes against tourists will always plague major vacation destinations. However, the door leading to victimization has been opened even wider now, and it has become easier for criminals to step through and take advantage of guests. It’s cruel and unfair. Disney’s good intentions are exploited, as are the guests’ perceptions of fantasy.
- For the sake of curiosity, does anyone know Disney’s official policy on connecting outside callers to guest rooms? The Polynesian Resort managers I spoke with provided me conflicting versions on that point.
- I would also like to comment that my vacation had actually been disastrous from the start: my departing flight out of California was delayed, forcing me to miss my connection in Washington DC; United lost my luggage in Orlando, leaving me without important belongings and medications for over 24 hours; and I came down with a potent flu after fainting outside of the Tower of Terror. So, please forgive me if I willingly fell for what I thought was legitimate Disney magic. My (very expensive) trip had turned into hell on earth, and I was desperate for good fortune.
- Disney did do their best to alleviate my bad fortune, however. A lovely gift basket was delivered to my room, as well as complimentary tickets to Mickey’s Very Merry Christmas Party and dinner at the Liberty Tree Tavern. I was even escorted to City Hall on Main Street USA, where Chip, Dale, and Pluto were waiting for me in a private room backstage. I was so downtrodden and exhausted after all the bad events of my trip that I literally collapsed into poor Chip’s arms. I suppose it was because I finally had bona fide Disney standing before me. I was so grateful that I left flowers and a card at the Polynesian front desk on the morning I returned to California, thanking those cast members who had supported me. I also have one free night at the Polynesian Resort when I return to WDW.

You know, I’ve been thinking a great deal about why I allowed this to happen. Disney encourages us to abandon the world when we vacation with them. It is the very foundation of their promotional campaigns, and it is why we keep returning to the resorts year after year. After all, there must be some place where we can find something more powerful than “real life.” We are taught to make a wish and do as dreamers do; to believe, that there is magic in the stars; and to remember that dreams come true. So how can I be called stupid when “real life” forces its way into a place where fantasy reigns? When it forces its way into my room? No, I am not stupid. Naïve, maybe, but not stupid. Never stupid.

Thanks for reading this (overly dramatic) post. I look forward to discussing it with you should you have any questions or comments.
 

mrerk

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- For the sake of curiosity, does anyone know Disney’s official policy on connecting outside callers to guest rooms? The Polynesian Resort managers I spoke with provided me conflicting versions on that point.

I don't know the official policy, but in my experience when making a call from outside the resort I was always asked for the name of the party in the room, even if I knew the room number. I'm pretty sure inside calls don't go through the operator, which means the call was probably made from a house phone.

I wouldn't worry too much about being "stalked". He could of just dialed random room numbers into the phone until someone picked up. There is no need to feel you were targeted.

Thanks for taking the time to post. Hopefully others will learn from your experiences. Heres hoping your next trip goes much better.
 

unkadug

Follower of "Saget"The Cult
So sorry this happened to you and that your trip was jinxed from the start.

I hope that the guy makes full restitution, but I'm sure it will be years from now, as I'm sure he will spend a few in the pokey!

I think that a good rule of thumb is never give out any information unless you initialize the call to a known phone number.
 

rileyspaw

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I apologize to anyone on the board I may have offended with my naive and stupid comment. In this day and age of constant warnings about identity theft on the internet and over the phone I simply thought people were more on guard. After reading the con man's well laid out plan I can see how someone could get taken. Again my apologies.
 

tigfan

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In my experience, even if you know the room number the operator will ask you the name of the party that you are calling. I don't know what would happen if you didn't know the name.

Very rarely have I called a hotel, asked to be directed to a specific room, and been asked to provide the guest's name. More often than not, they just put you through.
 

tigfan

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Disney security was promptly dispatched to my room, and eventually, the Orange County Sheriff’s Department. After filling out a police report, I then went to Guest Services and spoke with a very gracious and understanding manager. I conceded to him that while I might have been a bit too trusting, Disney also was accountable for the security breach. The conman had, after all, been able to contact me in my room.

I'm sorry this happened to you. However after reading your story, I can't honestly say I would have been taken in by it. For the record, I was not among those who referred to you as "stupid" or "naive" and I of course still do not think that. But I think you and I just come from a completely different mindset, as evidenced by your sentence I've highlighted above. I can't imagine, in a million years, thinking that Disney would somehow be responsible in any way for this. Just because someone was able to contact you in your room?? Unless there is more to the story that you haven't shared. And actually, I think your story had a lot of unnecessary details (i.e. the "sun was shining, the balcony door was open, the goat cheese was fantastic") so I suspect we've been given all there is to know about the actual scam itself. Did you ask the front desk to put a "do not disturb" on your room (an option that is available at all hotels)? If not, then even if the person had called the front desk and asked to be transferred to your room, I can't see how Disney would be responsible for doing so. Again, I am truly sorry that it happened though.
 

mrerk

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Very rarely have I called a hotel, asked to be directed to a specific room, and been asked to provide the guest's name. More often than not, they just put you through.

I'm just going by my experience with Disney, not the outside world. When my sister was staying at PO and we were at OKW we would always be asked for her name before being connected, even though we knew the room number. Maybe it's a Disney thing.:shrug:
 

Chickapin Chick

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And actually, I think your story had a lot of unnecessary details (i.e. the "sun was shining, the balcony door was open, the goat cheese was fantastic") so I suspect we've been given all there is to know about the actual scam itself. Did you ask the front desk to put a "do not disturb" on your room (an option that is available at all hotels)? If not, then even if the person had called the front desk and asked to be transferred to your room, I can't see how Disney would be responsible for doing so.

Given the kind of writing we sometimes see on message boards, I was only trying to paint a more vivid and detailed picture for the readers, one which was enjoyable to read. I'm sorry if you thought my text was unnecessary.

Also, if there was a "do not disturb" option for my room, I was not made aware of it upon check-in, nor at any time during my trip. After this happened (and before I knew that the suspect stalked his victims), the officers theorized that he called the rooms from outside. That was why I discussed with Guest Services my opinion that it was too easy for just anyone to be connected to resort rooms. Whatever the policy is - I heard different versions from different cast members - there is clearly room for a security breach, and I think it needs to be more definitive. And most importantly: Disney is running a giveaway promotion that runs on the element of surprise. Some guests who don't know what kind of surprises are in store would logically assume that they had won something.

Just because I slipped up once does not mean I would willingly give out my social security number. That's not fair.
 

Crazy4WDW1

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I can't believe how nasty some of you posters are getting. Chick was asked to share her story and she did. Now we're going to call her names and complain about unnecessary descriptions??? Please.

I for one can certainly see how you were duped. You were emotionally drained by the time you got to the resort. None of us are at our best when we're exhausted and miserable. And you are right, when we're at WDW you think that nothing bad can happen to you.

I'm sorry you were duped. I'm sorry for all the time and trouble you will have to go through to get this taken care of. I would hope that the posters here would have given you more support. However, that doesn't seem to be true. I appreciated you telling your story. Hopefully your misfortune will help future guests.
 

unkadug

Follower of "Saget"The Cult
I can't believe how nasty some of you posters are getting. Chick was asked to share her story and she did. Now we're going to call her names and complain about unnecessary descriptions??? Please.

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Cruiseketeer

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I had read in one of the articles that he has used a house phone to call the room. So if he knew the room number, he could dial directly to the room and bypass the operators question of the name for that particular room.

I can easily see how this could happen to someone.
 

joanna71985

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I don't think it's fair to call someone stupid, just because the person made a mistake. It could have happened to anyone.
 

mkt

When a paradise is lost go straight to Disney™
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Very rarely have I called a hotel, asked to be directed to a specific room, and been asked to provide the guest's name. More often than not, they just put you through.
That's the norm at Disney. Among many of its antiquated policies, this is one that makes sense.
 
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