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Orlando man Charged in Theme Park Scheme
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Well several of the comments you've made here indicate to me that you have not read my posts very carefully. I'll address each of these points one at a time:
Read my post again. I didn't imply that you should have requested a "do not disturb". I even made a point of acknowledging that I understand not everyone is aware this is something hotels offer. My point (which I'll clarify for a second time, with a request that you once again read my message more carefully) was simply that you were holding Disney "partially responsible" yet at the very least you could have requested no phone calls to your room...and you did not make any such request. So how could Disney have possibly known not to put this call through to you? You say you hold Disney "partially responsible" and I've asked you to explain how you see them as being responsible at all, yet you've not been able to really explain that. To me, it sounds like a gut reaction to having been duped, and wanting to shift blame to someone else, when in fact you were the one who chose to accept this "offer" from a stranger and give him your credit card information. As I've stated before, I don't think you are "stupid" for having done that, nor have I, at any point in time, said that you were. And I agree with other posters who have stated they could see how one could easily fall for this scam. But all that aside, own up to the fact that it was your mistake, and it's ridiculous to suggest that Disney is any way at fault. What do you suggest they could have done to prevent this from happening to you?
I think you're splitting hairs here and getting caught up in the semantics. If you don't like the word "blame" then I'm sorry. But where I come from, telling someone they are "accountable" or "responsible" (even partially so) is the same as telling them they are partially to blame.
Once again, please re-read my post where I explained this already. Obviously, it's clear that you are not aware this is something you can request at any hotel. And as I've stated already, I'm not saying there's anything wrong with not being aware of it. But at the same time, it's absurd to expect any hotel to point this out as part of the check-in procedures. As I mentioned before, that would be like the hotel telling you that they offer maid service. It's just a given that this is something hotels do. Why would they need to mention it? Are you aware that hotels all offer wake up call service as well? Do any hotels ever mention this to guests when they check in? Of course not. You'd be at the front desk for hours if the hotel was supposed to mention to every guest every service they offer.
And likewise, did I say you demanded anything? No. You're overreacting to a question I posed, which was simply how you could blame....pardon me... hold Disney "partially accountable." The only "answer" you've been able to provide to this question is simply to describe further how you were "cased" by this guy and how that felt. While I'm sure that's not a good feeling and I wouldn't wish it on anyone, it doesn't explain how Disney is "partially accountable". So I'll ask again...How is Disney "partially accountable"? What is it that you expected them to have done to prevent this from having happened? If you can't answer that question, then I don't see how you can claim they have ANY accountability in the issue.
I agree that you do seem to wish you could blame Disney for this. I think that's been made clear. But for my part, this is not a case of my blindly defending Disney simply because I happen to love Disney. I'm defending Disney against your suggestion that they are "partially accountable" because I don't believe they are. My defense of Disney here is based on a concept of right and wrong, and not just a blind loyalty to Disney. If you can explain why you think they are "partially accountable" then please do so.
For record, I agree with others who have expressed their support and their sympathy that this happened to you. I, too, am sorry that it did.
Read my post again. I didn't imply that you should have requested a "do not disturb". I even made a point of acknowledging that I understand not everyone is aware this is something hotels offer. My point (which I'll clarify for a second time, with a request that you once again read my message more carefully) was simply that you were holding Disney "partially responsible" yet at the very least you could have requested no phone calls to your room...and you did not make any such request. So how could Disney have possibly known not to put this call through to you? You say you hold Disney "partially responsible" and I've asked you to explain how you see them as being responsible at all, yet you've not been able to really explain that. To me, it sounds like a gut reaction to having been duped, and wanting to shift blame to someone else, when in fact you were the one who chose to accept this "offer" from a stranger and give him your credit card information. As I've stated before, I don't think you are "stupid" for having done that, nor have I, at any point in time, said that you were. And I agree with other posters who have stated they could see how one could easily fall for this scam. But all that aside, own up to the fact that it was your mistake, and it's ridiculous to suggest that Disney is any way at fault. What do you suggest they could have done to prevent this from happening to you?
I think you're splitting hairs here and getting caught up in the semantics. If you don't like the word "blame" then I'm sorry. But where I come from, telling someone they are "accountable" or "responsible" (even partially so) is the same as telling them they are partially to blame.
Once again, please re-read my post where I explained this already. Obviously, it's clear that you are not aware this is something you can request at any hotel. And as I've stated already, I'm not saying there's anything wrong with not being aware of it. But at the same time, it's absurd to expect any hotel to point this out as part of the check-in procedures. As I mentioned before, that would be like the hotel telling you that they offer maid service. It's just a given that this is something hotels do. Why would they need to mention it? Are you aware that hotels all offer wake up call service as well? Do any hotels ever mention this to guests when they check in? Of course not. You'd be at the front desk for hours if the hotel was supposed to mention to every guest every service they offer.
And likewise, did I say you demanded anything? No. You're overreacting to a question I posed, which was simply how you could blame....pardon me... hold Disney "partially accountable." The only "answer" you've been able to provide to this question is simply to describe further how you were "cased" by this guy and how that felt. While I'm sure that's not a good feeling and I wouldn't wish it on anyone, it doesn't explain how Disney is "partially accountable". So I'll ask again...How is Disney "partially accountable"? What is it that you expected them to have done to prevent this from having happened? If you can't answer that question, then I don't see how you can claim they have ANY accountability in the issue.
I agree that you do seem to wish you could blame Disney for this. I think that's been made clear. But for my part, this is not a case of my blindly defending Disney simply because I happen to love Disney. I'm defending Disney against your suggestion that they are "partially accountable" because I don't believe they are. My defense of Disney here is based on a concept of right and wrong, and not just a blind loyalty to Disney. If you can explain why you think they are "partially accountable" then please do so.
For record, I agree with others who have expressed their support and their sympathy that this happened to you. I, too, am sorry that it did.
joanna71985
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Please don't feel sorry. You have no need to apologize.
Chickapin Chick
New Member
Okay, I give up. Tigfan is absolutely right. This wasn't the scam artist's fault, Disney did absolutely everything they could to ensure my protection, and I brought this upon myself. I'm just a gullible female with a penchant for writing unnecessary details on WDW message boards.
I guess I don't know anything about staying at a hotel, either. Can anyone else tell me what is this "wake-up call" thing he speaks of?
I guess I don't know anything about staying at a hotel, either. Can anyone else tell me what is this "wake-up call" thing he speaks of?
Mimi
Active Member
You did not ALLOW this to happen. You are in no way at fault. Judging from your posts I'd say you are a highly educated individual with no shortage of common sense. Please do not apologize for falling victim to a crime.
This man was a predator; a professional hunter. You simply had the misfortune of falling prey.
Perhaps there's a higher reason. Maybe your courage in telling your story will someday help strangers on this site, or even your own children, from worse. Maybe it will be YOUR story that will put him behind bars. Who knows.
This could have happened to ANY of us. They call them confidence men because they steal our confidence. You did not give it to him. Please never accept responsibility for this monster's behavior; in so doing you will allow him to continue to victimize you every day for the rest of your life. Take your life back. It's yours.
Actually, what I think you have "a penchant for" is reading things into my posts that I'm not actually saying.
Mimi
Active Member
You're not actually saying those things, but that's what it pretty much comes down to. In some cases it is better not to argue every little possible alternative situation to death. Sometimes it's better just to back off.
Leave her alone.
No that's not what it "comes down to" at all. At what point did I remotely suggest she was a "gullible female" as she has accused me of saying? When did I suggest that the scam artist was not at fault, as she has implied that I've said? When did I say that she didn't "know anything about staying in a hotel"? I made a point (twice) of saying that it's not unusual to not know about the "do not disturb" service that hotels will do for people upon request. Yet she twisted my words around to make it sound like I was calling her "gullible" and that I was somehow putting her down for not knowing about it.
Have you ever asked someone to do work for you and then the work ended up being poorly done? Did you let them know the work was done poorly, or did you just keep your mouth shut and appreciate it because, after all, you asked them to do the work (and somehow should have known, before the fact, that it was going to be done poorly)?
That's the scenario here. She offered to share her story and I indicated that yes, I'd be interested in hearing it. Obviously I had no way of knowing, ahead of time, that her story would be a novel describing every nuance of how the air smelled that night and what she thought of her appetizers at dinner... and about one paragraph's worth of information about the actual scam itself. So did I feel compelled to critique? Sure.
Hrudey3032
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Why not just leave her alone.You aren't doing yourself any favors here right or wrong.Be the bigger person and just walk away and let the poor lady move on she suffered enough.
unkadug
Follower of "Saget"The Cult
I know tigfan dug himself a bit of a hole with that last comment. But I get what he is saying.
Chick blaming Disney is like blaming the city for a car accident because they built the road that allowed a 3rd party to hit you.
Disney was not at fault. The conman was 99%. And chick 1% just because, as a rule, you never give your credit card info out to someone that CALLS YOU, and asks for it. It is never a good idea. But that said I can see how someone would because Disney does give you that feeling of being on a different World
Chick blaming Disney is like blaming the city for a car accident because they built the road that allowed a 3rd party to hit you.
Disney was not at fault. The conman was 99%. And chick 1% just because, as a rule, you never give your credit card info out to someone that CALLS YOU, and asks for it. It is never a good idea. But that said I can see how someone would because Disney does give you that feeling of being on a different World
Raven66
Well-Known Member
Please don't focus on the negative responses of a couple of people. Instead focus on those that are giving you positive feedback. It's a horrible thing that happen and that stuff does happen. Just be thankful that all he took was money and not your life. I know losing money is a hardship, I certainly would be in a panic.
Thank you for sharing your story, because I believe that you helped at least one person by telling it.:wave: Good luck and I hope everything works out.
Crazy4WDW1
Active Member
Thanks so much. I've done just that.
Chick - Please do not even respond to his posts. It's not worth your time and trouble. Ignore him and maybe he'll just go away.
Please know that there are those of us on the boards that support you. Ignore the rest.
Hrudey3032
Well-Known Member
Or you will be put to sleep :snore: and you dont want that!
Mom thank you for trying to help this thread out.:kiss:
MsSnuzi
Well-Known Member
Thank you
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