Orlando Gunman Scouted WDW ...

[WDW1974]

From a knowledgeable individual at TDO:

"Just to collaborate the People Magazine story, there is a record of his purchase and the use of a ticket for himself and a female Guest Noor Salman (who has been identified as his current potential wife, not the ex-wife) in April. It's likely his son was there, but no purchase was made since he was possible under 3. No other reservations were made (FastPass, resort, dining, recreation, etc.) His motive or intent I cannot vouch for, but they definitely do have investigators combing through all photos/videos captured."

My words now: it is not known whether this is the threat that started the metal detectors, but, if so, our leaders and law enforcement failed in such a horrific fashion that you have to wonder if they are capable of stopping any threats.

Detectors will be compulsory for ALL visitors just as soon as Disney (and likely UNI and SW) can make it workable. And your days of bringing food and beverage into the parks are done, so plan on that.

The days of bringing in everything but the kitchen sink in those double-wide strollers are likely done as well.

And, no, I don't think any of this could possibly prevent a true evildoer from committing mass murder at a theme park, but you gotta admire the thought process that people are ignorant enough to think this means business.

 

[seabreezept813]

Wen thru one of those while in an elementary school for work. Rather disconcerting.

We have zero security at our school: no drills, no detectors, no guards. It didn't change protocol that seriously

 

[GhostHost1000]

From a knowledgeable individual at TDO:

"Just to collaborate the People Magazine story, there is a record of his purchase and the use of a ticket for himself and a female Guest Noor Salman (who has been identified as his current potential wife, not the ex-wife) in April. It's likely his son was there, but no purchase was made since he was possible under 3. No other reservations were made (FastPass, resort, dining, recreation, etc.) His motive or intent I cannot vouch for, but they definitely do have investigators combing through all photos/videos captured."

My words now: it is not known whether this is the threat that started the metal detectors, but, if so, our leaders and law enforcement failed in such a horrific fashion that you have to wonder if they are capable of stopping any threats.

Detectors will be compulsory for ALL visitors just as soon as Disney (and likely UNI and SW) can make it workable. And your days of bringing food and beverage into the parks are done, so plan on that.

The days of bringing in everything but the kitchen sink in those double-wide strollers are likely done as well.

And, no, I don't think any of this could possibly prevent a true evildoer from committing mass murder at a theme park, but you gotta admire the thought process that people are ignorant enough to think this means business.

This is getting real folks...real scary

Let's see how Disney and other parks react

Obviously our govt likely won't do anything

 

[ford91exploder]

Not sure I understand what you are saying here. I'm not saying that this guy had anything to do with the metal detectors. What I am saying is I know for a fact that WDW and Universal's (and I believe SW as well) top leadership (yes, George K and Bill Davis) were at a meeting in December with officials from state and Federal law enforcement when credible intelligence said the MK was the target of an attack in the near term. That I know as fact. I do not believe that had a thing to do with this crazy.

What will forever make me angry and sad and just plain disillusioned is the fact the FBI knew this guy was a problem and interviewed him three times and still didn't have him under 24/7 watch and somehow allowed him to legally buy the weapons.



I just am tired of being considered so ignorant that I am supposed to feel safe by something that is so obviously simply a show.



You can say that, but it seems in every mass shooting there's always crap that people saw in social media (apparently, having an ego and wanting the world to know is part of being a mass murderer). There are always things that can be done and I can say with certainly that what Disney and UNI do simply isn't enough. It is largely theater.

The only real security I have ever seen was last month leading up to the Invictus Games. WDW felt more like a prison than a vacation destination.



Well, we now have OC Sheriffs Deputies that are armed at all entrances ... not at all like WDW used to be ... an escape. I don't think it ever will be like that again. I so want to go back to 1986.



Totally agree about that.

What's even scarier is that he was talking about committing mass murder for MONTHS and no one did squat about it, The guy also somehow got a security clearance which WAS NOT PULLED after his contact with the FBI.

I don't agree with POTUS on much but the idea that someone on a terror watch list should not be able to purchase a firearm legally is indeed a 'common sense idea' this though needs to happen AFTER the terror watch list is FIXED so 6 month old babies don't wind up on it because their names are a SOUNDEX match so the terror watch list is indeed bad guys instead of 'people whose names sound like bad guys' The most famous example being Senator Ted Kennedy, Certainly NOT a terrorist.

 

[TeriofTerror]

Agree. You really can't stop crazy and the religious nutz fighting for their God are even worse.

The religious nutz have been fighting for thousands of years in the middle east, I suggest not letting any more of them come here.

Dear @The Mom ,
Will you please lift the profanity ban just this once so that I may respond to this individual in an appropriate manner?
Sincerely,
Teri

 

[Jason Lives]

Walt Disney World needs better security.

 

[cslafferty]

We have zero security at our school: no drills, no detectors, no guards. It didn't change protocol that seriously

We don't have metal detectors or guards in our district, but all outside doors are locked all of the time - employees have to swipe their badge and visitors have to be buzzed in through the front door. And we are mandated to have a certain number of fire, tornado, and lockdown drills each year. I thought it was a federal mandate, but maybe it's state (Michigan). We are a public school district.

 

[zooey]

I am not talking about the small incident in Shanghai.

I am talking about did Disney know last night that the guy had targeted Disney Springs before deciding on Pulse. And I am wondering if (more like how much) energy and resources they're going to use to keep the information as controlled as possible.

In what capacity do you mean their business would be destroyed?

 

[GhostHost1000]

It's pretty obvious isn't it? I don't think there is any other way to explain it. Terror attack anywhere on property will signal the end of WDW as we know it. That's not some fear mongering conjecture, that's a cold hard fact

It's not just Disney. If that happens God forbid the entire Orlando attractions district which includes Uni and sea world will suffer badly

I tell ya I was there the last week and a half and this has really hit home for me now more than ever

 

[zooey]

It's pretty obvious isn't it? I don't think there is any other way to explain it. Terror attack anywhere on property will signal the end of WDW as we know it. That's not some fear mongering conjecture, that's a cold hard fact

I just don't know if I agree with that. If airlines can come back from crashes I think it's possible for a theme park to do so. Because I'm of the opinion it's not if it's when and Id like to think that any business could survive senslessness inflicted upon them, even if they may have some liability in their failure to prevent it. But as discussed here, it's probably impossible to actually secure these locations completely.

 

[danlb_2000]

I am not talking about the small incident in Shanghai.

I am talking about did Disney know last night that the guy had targeted Disney Springs before deciding on Pulse. And I am wondering if (more like how much) energy and resources they're going to use to keep the information as controlled as possible.

Clearly not much since it was reported on ABC's World News Tonight.

 

[Nick Pappagiorgio]

Here's something that occurred to me reading this news: is Omar Mateen's wife in jail right now? It seems she has a lot of knowledge of her husband's plans, yet did she do nothing to try and stop him?

I believe that there is generally no duty to report a crime. The only way they could get her is if she did something to help conceal or aid in the crime, but not reporting someone is not a crime. It is obviously a serious moral issue but perhaps not a legal one

 

[oceanbreeze77]

Just some stuff from a west coaster: I went to DL this morning and Security has been Beefed up like no other. Dogs at every access way to the parks, Anaheim PD strolling in doubles/triples in downtown disney, almost everyone was screened at security, and an increased amount of disneyland security guards all around the parks. Disney is not taking this lightly, which is great but not great because it has to be this way.

 

[oceanbreeze77]

I believe that there is generally no duty to report a crime. The only way they could get her is if she did something to help conceal or aid in the crime, but not reporting someone is not a crime. It is obviously a serious moral issue but perhaps not a legal one

Unfortunately this is correct, but I guarantee you that they are analyzing every inch of wherever she has sneezed.

 

[Rodan75]

I am not talking about the small incident in Shanghai.

I am talking about did Disney know last night that the guy had targeted Disney Springs before deciding on Pulse. And I am wondering if (more like how much) energy and resources they're going to use to keep the information as controlled as possible.

Sorry but that is just Trumpian level speculation. They speed at which this information was discovered and published makes your attempt to ignite a conspiracy ridiculous.

 

[bsiev1977]

Unfortunately this is correct, but I guarantee you that they are analyzing every inch of wherever she has sneezed.

I mean, I don't know exactly what the laws say but wouldn't having knowledge of the imminent commission of a crime and failing to report be considered aiding the crime?

 

[the.dreamfinder]

It's pretty obvious isn't it? I don't think there is any other way to explain it. Terror attack anywhere on property will signal the end of WDW as we know it. That's not some fear mongering conjecture, that's a cold hard fact

The two biggest things that could kill the Walt Disney World resort and tourism in general.

• Stupid high energy prices (see impact of the Arab Oil Embargo of the 1970's on WDW) Imagine what $200-300/barrel oil would do to the cost of travel
• Terrorist attack in a theme park, Disney or someone else. People won't come back to current levels for a very long time. They will have lost the public trust, even if it wasn't at a Disney park.

Stuff like this is why Iger, Staggs and Rasulo considered selling P&R. It's a good business, but the potential downside from these liabilities could easily sink a company like Disney.

 

[Rodan75]

From a knowledgeable individual at TDO:

"Just to collaborate the People Magazine story, there is a record of his purchase and the use of a ticket for himself and a female Guest Noor Salman (who has been identified as his current potential wife, not the ex-wife) in April. It's likely his son was there, but no purchase was made since he was possible under 3. No other reservations were made (FastPass, resort, dining, recreation, etc.) His motive or intent I cannot vouch for, but they definitely do have investigators combing through all photos/videos captured."

My words now: it is not known whether this is the threat that started the metal detectors, but, if so, our leaders and law enforcement failed in such a horrific fashion that you have to wonder if they are capable of stopping any threats.

Detectors will be compulsory for ALL visitors just as soon as Disney (and likely UNI and SW) can make it workable. And your days of bringing food and beverage into the parks are done, so plan on that.

The days of bringing in everything but the kitchen sink in those double-wide strollers are likely done as well.

And, no, I don't think any of this could possibly prevent a true evildoer from committing mass murder at a theme park, but you gotta admire the thought process that people are ignorant enough to think this means business.

So you are saying that the local authorities were aware of the shooter was targeting WDW and then allowed him to buy assault weapons a few weeks later. C'mon. This is information learned after the fact. Given the fresh news about him fact finding gay clubs via hook up apps indicates he was looking for a gay themed target. He could have been scouting for Gay Days at WDW...but to say that Disney knew he was a suspect months before the shooting is irresponsible.

What next...Iger knew and didn't let Florida respond?

 

[oceanbreeze77]

I mean, I don't know exactly what the laws say but wouldn't having knowledge of the imminent commission of a crime and failing to report be considered aiding the crime?

It depends on what is known I believe. She could have known that her ex was scoping stuff out but for what? Its also possible its her suspicion and she had no knowledge of facts. If the murderer had come home and said "Im going to shoot up everyone" then yes she could be indicted, but like I said its possible she didn't know the extent of him scoping out locations. Although she probably won't be arrested for this at the moment ( things could develop as they still have to build a case) like I said, every inch of where she has been is being investigated.

 

[ParentsOf4]

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