Orlando Gunman Scouted WDW ...

[EPICOT]

Agreed 100% on all counts.

God help us if this shooting doesn't do what the Columbines and Sandy Hooks and Auroras haven't. Weapons of mass killing were never guaranteed by our forefathers and, even if they had been, times and realities change. Maybe I didn't understand my history, but I don't believe Ben Franklin and Thomas Jefferson would have advocated Americans having the 'right' to commit mass slaughters on a regular basis.

The Founding Fathers were actually very aware of high capacity "asssualt" type weapons similar to what we have today. There were even some available before the signing of the Constitution.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girandoni_air_rifle

 

[matt9112]

bag check and metal detectors at the bus stops (either at the resorts themselves or at the parks as soon as they get dropped off0

bag check and metal detectors at the parking lot entrance (off the trams or for those walking)

bag check and metal detectors for main entrance walking paths and boat exits to parks

bag check and metal detectors for main entrances (boat dock, walking path, and bus entrance) to Disney Springs

I just got back and I'm telling you I had an uneasy feeling seeing so many people lined up a mass wad at MK for bag check and entrance...that's unfortunately a bad situation before security is even implemented

3 hours to get to MK? yeah no thanks. everytine you wake up. you are braving another day of risk.

 

[matt9112]

Walt Disney World needs better security.

i enjoy wiating in TSA style lines too. i feel so safe.....sarcasim

 

[PhotoDave219]

3 hours to get to MK? yeah no thanks. everytine you wake up. you are braving another day of risk.

3 hours? you must be taking a Disney bus.....

 

[matt9112]

Agreed 100% on all counts.

God help us if this shooting doesn't do what the Columbines and Sandy Hooks and Auroras haven't. Weapons of mass killing were never guaranteed by our forefathers and, even if they had been, times and realities change. Maybe I didn't understand my history, but I don't believe Ben Franklin and Thomas Jefferson would have advocated Americans having the 'right' to commit mass slaughters on a regular basis.

fix gun sale black lists and fix whatever systematically broke down on the FBIs part. but stop blaming guns.
i was two blocks away from the marathon bombing i saw thousands of people running in fear....i saw army soilders on corners the next day and those killers did not blow anything up with a firearm. ps an AR15 is not an assualt rifle.

 

[matt9112]

3 hours? you must be taking a Disney bus.....

was referring to the security theater some are asking for.

 

[xdan0920]

I have now been to 28 countries I believe (with 29 coming up soon) and I don't ever feel as unsafe as I do simply driving in FL ... in a mall in FL ... in my neighborhood (which is pretty affluent and has its own security) because people are angry, on drugs, mentally unstable and so many possess weapons, legally I'll add.

Welp, guess you gotta arm up. That seems to be the general consensus in our country. You mention later in this thread that we don't live in the Wild West, but there are an overwhelming amount of people here who would prefer that. Get yer gun and defend the homestead. Oh, and also carry it everywhere you go in case you need to go into Rambo mode and defend the movie theater or the bar or the theme park in this case. Cowboy up everyone, there's shootin to do.

 

[PhotoDave219]

was referring to the security theater some are asking for.

I know, i just saw an opening to take a cheap shot at Disney transportation.

The short version is that no matter how hard they try, you can't prevent this. You cant defend against every scenario.

 

[GhostHost1000]

3 hours to get to MK? yeah no thanks. everytine you wake up. you are braving another day of risk.

3 hours to get to the MK? how do you figure? With the scenarios I mentioned, the security and bag checks would move quicker because they would be more spread out to different locations prior to bottlenecking EVERYONE (no matter how they travel to the MK) in the same place


my idea:

For bus riders:
bag check / metal detectors at the bus stops either at the resorts themselves or at the parks as soon as they get dropped off at the bus stops

For car riders/tour busses:
bag check / metal detectors at the parking lot entrance off the trams and at tour group bus stop areas (unless they funnel into the same place)

For walkers:
bag check / metal detectors for entrance walking paths to parks

For boat riders:
bag check / metal detectors for boat ramps to parks

For Disney Springs:
bag check / metal detectors for all main entrance ways (boat dock, walking path, and bus entrance) to Disney Springs


I know it's crazy and it'll never happen because it would cost Disney a lot more security wise, but....bunching thousands of people up at the same place before going to any security checkpoint just seems like an opportunity for someone to do something stupid without even needing to enter the park. Sure it won't stop all possibilities...but at least this way folks won't get near the parks and masses of people until passing through some type of security

 

[TeriofTerror]

I am glad your bro-in-law is one of the good guys. That's noble and I respect that.

But the bureau (mixed with insane gun laws ... this isn't the Wild West ... it was safer back there!) dropped the ball with this guy and they have with numerous mass casualty shooters in the recent past. I realize they have to do the impossible and be right all the time. But some of these situations (like this one) are just inexcusable in my book. And now 49 people are dead. And others are fighting for their lives, may be maimed forever and will certainly never be the same even when their physical injuries are healed.

 

[LuvtheGoof]

And are you suggesting that the media should ignore this angle?

Maybe not totally, but what is the "angle"? Just because he "may" have visited Disney Springs has absolutely no bearing on the attack that he eventually perpetrated. Maybe he likes Wetzel's Pretzels with a Ghirardelli ice cream sundae, so he visited Disney Springs, but that doesn't mean he was casing the place for an attack. Media saying so is just click bait to generate views, because we all know that saying "Disney" in any context of this story will get people to look.

So in your local news media, how many other places are they saying that he visited? Uni, SW? There is absolutely NO reason to think that he didn't visit City Walk if he visited Disney Springs, but I hear no one talking about that. There are also many other tourist destinations in the Orlando area, and yet, I hear nothing of him visiting any of those either.

He went to a local night club that had nothing to do with Disney, yet all of a sudden, since the Disney name is mentioned, there is a bunch of traffic about it. I just think that it's disingenuous for media to play that card every time, when it is so obvious that it is just to get more people to click and view, even though there is ZERO proof that he had any intention of ever targeting Disney.

And if you honestly believe that the news media nowadays is not going to find an "angle" to get more clicks, then you are most certainly naive, even if you were part of it in the past. The news media of today is NOTHING like the past when they actually reported news, and only the news. Now they have to sensationalize everything, and they have to be first, even if some of the information is wrong. They did not used to work that way.

 

[SorcererMC]

Maybe not totally, but what is the "angle"? Just because he "may" have visited Disney Springs has absolutely no bearing on the attack that he eventually perpetrated. Maybe he likes Wetzel's Pretzels with a Ghirardelli ice cream sundae, so he visited Disney Springs, but that doesn't mean he was casing the place for an attack. Media saying so is just click bait to generate views, because we all know that saying "Disney" in any context of this story will get people to look.

I don't think it is click-bait and/or fear-mongering when there was just an attack. The threat is real, and a legitimate concern for Disney, Universal, etc. I think that for the general American public who visit Orlando and the theme parks - 70 mln+ a year, 100 mln+ visitors to FL - Orlando = Disney. Orlando/FL tourist industry will be impacted by this...to what extent remains to be seen. CNN has been my go-to coverage for this, just had Orlando City Commissioner Hill on reassuring people that the city is safe, people are coming together, and will not live in fear. Gov Scott made similar comments.

 

[zooey]

Welp, guess you gotta arm up. That seems to be the general consensus in our country. You mention later in this thread that we don't live in the Wild West, but there are an overwhelming amount of people here who would prefer that. Get yer gun and defend the homestead. Oh, and also carry it everywhere you go in case you need to go into Rambo mode and defend the movie theater or the bar or the theme park in this case. Cowboy up everyone, there's shootin to do.

74 is right that the Wild West was safer back then because you had to check your arms with law enforcement before going into a city. They knew it was a bad idea to have a bunch of liquored up yee-haws running around with guns. (Or anyone, actually). That's why the OK Corral is a big legendary story. Shootouts are movie fantasy, not reality, and certainly not a daily reality as it is in our society.

This happened to a friend of mine the same day of Orlando (we're up in MN)... He was at an auto parts store checking out in line. There was a guy in front of him. My friend told the guy he liked his shoes. The guy said thanks. My friend checks out while the other guy walks outside the glass store front. A car pulls up near the guy and someone shoots the guy dead in cold blood. My friend and the workers run to the back of the store. They have no idea if that gunman is going to come kill witnesses or if they are on a spree. My friend is now traumatized, and another man is dead, gone forever. Guns are the terror.

 

[Hakunamatata]

74 is right that the Wild West was safer back then because you had to check your arms with law enforcement before going into a city. They knew it was a bad idea to have a bunch of liquored up yee-haws running around with guns. (Or anyone, actually). That's why the OK Corral is a big legendary story. Shootouts are movie fantasy, not reality, and certainly not a daily reality as it is in our society.

This happened to a friend of mine the same day of Orlando (we're up in MN)... He was at an auto parts store checking out in line. There was a guy in front of him. My friend told the guy he liked his shoes. The guy said thanks. My friend checks out while the other guy walks outside the glass store front. A car pulls up near the guy and someone shoots the guy dead in cold blood. My friend and the workers run to the back of the store. They have no idea if that gunman is going to come kill witnesses or if they are on a spree. My friend is now traumatized, and another man is dead, gone forever. Guns are the terror.

Guns are a tool. Hate and evil are the terror.

You can place a gun on a table and it will lay there for ever without terrorizing anyone.

 

[LuvtheGoof]

I don't think it is click-bait and/or fear-mongering when there was just an attack. The threat is real, and a legitimate concern for Disney, Universal, etc. I think that for the general American public who visit Orlando and the theme parks - 70 mln+ a year, 100 mln+ visitors to FL - Orlando = Disney. Orlando/FL tourist industry will be impacted by this...to what extent remains to be seen. CNN has been my go-to coverage for this, just had Orlando City Commissioner Hill on reassuring people that the city is safe, people are coming together, and will not live in fear. Gov Scott made similar comments.

Disney has ALWAYS been considered a threat, ever since 9/11. To bring it up as a LEAD piece in a news story about this attack, as fox news apparently is, is wrong. Why not a headline that reads Universal City Walk was cased for the attack as well? I haven't seen that one, have you? Only Disney. And just because he bought tickets in April again has NO bearing on this attack. Maybe he likes Disney, and wanted to visit there. It's click bait pure and simple.

 

[PhotoDave219]

I don't think it is click-bait and/or fear-mongering when there was just an attack. The threat is real, and a legitimate concern for Disney, Universal, etc. I think that for the general American public who visit Orlando and the theme parks - 70 mln+ a year, 100 mln+ visitors to FL - Orlando = Disney. Orlando/FL tourist industry will be impacted by this...to what extent remains to be seen. CNN has been my go-to coverage for this, just had Orlando City Commissioner Hill on reassuring people that the city is safe, people are coming together, and will not live in fear. Gov Scott made similar comments.

This is the same governor who refuses to admit that the victims were predominantly LGBT? Same governor who refuses to investigate if his attorney general solicited a bribe? I have little faith in either of them when it comes to crisis management.

I've actually avoided as much TV coverage as possible, sticking mostly with print coverage, a mix of Sentinal, WaPo, NPR, NYT, & the guardian.

I find it interesting.... my friends in Orlando are just dealing. No one is politicizing, pontificating, or posterizing this thru social media. They're all still in shock and most are numb, just trying to process this, like myself.

Its everyone in the rest of the world who is opening their mouths and shaping this narrative to reinforce an agenda and their pre-existing world view.

 

[zooey]

Guns are a tool. Hate and evil are the terror.

You can place a gun on a table and it will lay there for ever without terrorizing anyone.

Of guns and human psychology, which can you decide to stop distributing no holds barred?

 

[SorcererMC]

Disney has ALWAYS been considered a threat, ever since 9/11. To bring it up as a LEAD piece in a news story about this attack, as fox news apparently is, is wrong. Why not a headline that reads Universal City Walk was cased for the attack as well? I haven't seen that one, have you? Only Disney. And just because he bought tickets in April again has NO bearing on this attack. Maybe he likes Disney, and wanted to visit there. It's click bait pure and simple.

It does have bearing on this attack and this particular case. To suggest that it is not relevant to talk about a threat to Disney in the context of an Orlando attack has happened is folly....people need to be aware. He may have scouted Universal as well, but we don't know that yet, or I haven't seen that yet.

 

[Hakunamatata]

Of guns and human psychology, which can you decide to stop distributing no holds barred?

Where do you draw the line then? Guns, cars, knives, bamboo?

 

[Bolt]

It's so cool we have four active threads talking about the same thing.