Orlando Gunman Scouted WDW ...

[PhotoDave219]

As to People. They have lots of cred in today's landscape. This isn't 15 years ago. They do any long form pieces that others steer clear of.

And John Dreyer, the former longtime head of Disney's corporate communications (in other words, Zenia's longtime predecessor) Tweeted the story and he is a very serious guy and still good friends with Michael and Jane Eisner.

WFTV is promoting a piece that mentions scouting Disney Springs.

 

[LuvtheGoof]

WFTV is promoting a piece that mentions scouting Disney Springs.

All news outlets will, as it generates more clicks and views, regardless of the merit or reason.

 

[Kamikaze]

Anyone who doesn't think WDW or DLR is a major target is delusional. What is more representative of 'America' than Disney and WDW? Very, very few things.

 

[yeti]

This has now appeared on my Facebook "trending topics" feed. Which makes sense considering, I think, those news bits are tailored to your browsing history.

I get updates on why Kylie Jenner likes the colour blue all the time there....meaning no, I don't think they're personal.

 

[andysol]

We live in a nation where we allow the TSA to do everything short of raping the public to get on planes, yet admits that between 75-90% of the time when they attempt to test their workers by smuggling weapons through, they get through. Yet, if you simply went back to pre 9/11 security, so many sheep would act like you opened the gates for evildoers everywhere.

TSA or no TSA, a terrorist will never be able to hijack an airplane in America ever again. The passengers simply would never allow it- I'd personally beat them to a pulp or die trying.

All we need are bomb dogs and let's get those lines moving.

 

[asianway]

TSA or no TSA, a terrorist will never be able to hijack an airplane in America ever again. The passengers simply would never allow it- I'd personally beat them to a pulp or die trying.

All we need are bomb dogs and let's get those lines moving.

You could make the same claim that with hundreds of people in a club, they would not let a lone gunman take out 100 people.

Never say never.

 

[shipley731]

This so much! It is unbelievably easy to access backstage area (and therefore Guest areas) via CM entrances. All you need is an ID and you're in. Sorry but Jim from Nowhere, USA standing under the awning doesn't cut it.

I've maintained that if or when something bad happens, it's not going to come through the main gate entrance, but rather from the back of the house. How easy would it be for someone with a malicious intent that has not been in trouble before to get hired as a CM? I honestly don't know what sort of background checks get done on folks applying to be cast members. If it's anything like most similar paying jobs, I'm guessing the background check isn't super extensive. I can easily imagine a scenario that someone could do some serious damage & without a gun. I really hope I'm wrong & am just wearing my husband's tin foil hat too much....

 

[andysol]

You could make the same claim that with hundreds of people in a club, they would not let a lone gunman take out 100 people.

Never say never.

A hostage situation on a plane where we've all witnessed the end result and a chaotic shooting at the closing of a night club are vastly different. Or even a shooting at an airport.
But a plane going down into a building again will never happen in America whether there is TSA, lockable doors, or any security measures. That, I'm 100% confident in only because we've seen how that movie ends.

 

[senor_jorge]

TSA or no TSA, a terrorist will never be able to hijack an airplane in America ever again. The passengers simply would never allow it- I'd personally beat them to a pulp or die trying.

All we need are bomb dogs and let's get those lines moving.

If the circumstance ever arises, let us know how you did. When some 12 yr. old child has a sharp object against their neck, the number of heroes willing to condemn her to death is likely to shrink considerably.

 

[Cesar R M]

1. Don't buy the first part at this stage. The only way IMHO that this would attract the spooks would be credible chatter. Lone gunman doesn't need chatter, if there turns out to be evidence of a cell Ill reconsider. But if this happened it wasn't based on this.
2. said for years its theatre, but what do you expect in the nation that invented ambulance chasers. So that will drive everything else
3. Any idea how much security checks cost? Any idea how much info wont be available? A vetting in these circumstances is no less cosmetic than the steps weve already criticised. Or do all terrorists post plans on Facebook first?
4. Armed vets on the gates with proper weaponry? Wouldnt bother me but Mr & Mrs Beige wont want Princes cupcake being scared, so that's out too.

I've lived with this sort of poo most of my adult life, the only thing that's changed is that the dirt bag is happier to be martyred than to get away and strike another day as was the case with the earlier nut jobs. Well that and 24 hour news channels ramping up fear and talking bollox. Speculating doesn't do any good, and yes by responding Im as guilty as anyone.

Tragic as events are we just get on with things. Otherwise they've won.

Plot twist. Disney dressing their armed vets as "soldiers" from famous disney movies. (star wars..etc..)

 

[Cesar R M]

A hostage situation on a plane where we've all witnessed the end result and a chaotic shooting at the closing of a night club are vastly different. Or even a shooting at an airport.
But a plane going down into a building again will never happen in America whether there is TSA, lockable doors, or any security measures. That, I'm 100% confident in only because we've seen how that movie ends.

Partially right id say, bombs still could down the planes.
Like those advanced bombs that were mentioned that can go thru metal detectors and scanners (shoes and one guy with an explosive laptop)

 

[Quinnmac000]

Plot twist. Disney dressing their armed vets as "soldiers" from famous disney movies. (star wars..etc..)

Vets aren't even a safe choice. Especially with all the random shootings around the country thanks to PTSD and trouble adjusting after a career of multiple deployments to the sandbox.

 

[SorcererMC]

Partially right id say, bombs still could down the planes.
Like those advanced bombs that were mentioned that can go thru metal detectors and scanners (shoes and one guy with an explosive laptop)

@WDW1974 Is this why you call it 'security theater', b/c we know that terrorists have materials (ie TATP) that can't be detected by metal detectors? Or is it b/c you think such security measures are ineffective and therefore fear-mongering? Or some other reason? It's not clear to me, please explain. Sometimes I interpret your remarks to suggest that there is little we (as a society) can do to prevent it, so we shouldn't try. [Israel, for example, is very militarized due its neighborhood and constant threats...do you think we should adopt the same? or what is it that you mean?] Genuine confusion/ curiosity here.

 

[Travel Junkie]

But a plane going down into a building again will never happen in America whether there is TSA, lockable doors, or any security measures. That, I'm 100% confident in only because we've seen how that movie ends.

Of course it could happen. It took me 5 seconds to think of a scenario.

 

[asianway]

@WDW1974 Is this why you call it 'security theater', b/c we know that terrorists have materials (ie TATP) that can't be detected by metal detectors? Or is it b/c you think such security measures are ineffective and therefore fear-mongering? Or some other reason? It's not clear to me, please explain. Sometimes I interpret your remarks to suggest that there is little we (as a society) can do to prevent it, so we shouldn't try. [Israel, for example, is very militarized due its neighborhood and constant threats...do you think we should adopt the same? or what is it that you mean?] Genuine confusion/ curiosity here.

I'll give you an example-at DL Paris they screen bags and wand guests coming into the resorts. Cars and Trucks entering the hotel parking lots are searched. None of that's happening yet in FL. You don't need to open fire at the castle stage

 

[WDW1974]

1. Don't buy the first part at this stage. The only way IMHO that this would attract the spooks would be credible chatter. Lone gunman doesn't need chatter, if there turns out to be evidence of a cell Ill reconsider. But if this happened it wasn't based on this.

Not sure I understand what you are saying here. I'm not saying that this guy had anything to do with the metal detectors. What I am saying is I know for a fact that WDW and Universal's (and I believe SW as well) top leadership (yes, George K and Bill Davis) were at a meeting in December with officials from state and Federal law enforcement when credible intelligence said the MK was the target of an attack in the near term. That I know as fact. I do not believe that had a thing to do with this crazy.

What will forever make me angry and sad and just plain disillusioned is the fact the FBI knew this guy was a problem and interviewed him three times and still didn't have him under 24/7 watch and somehow allowed him to legally buy the weapons.

2. said for years its theatre, but what do you expect in the nation that invented ambulance chasers. So that will drive everything else

I just am tired of being considered so ignorant that I am supposed to feel safe by something that is so obviously simply a show.

3. Any idea how much security checks cost? Any idea how much info wont be available? A vetting in these circumstances is no less cosmetic than the steps weve already criticised. Or do all terrorists post plans on Facebook first?

You can say that, but it seems in every mass shooting there's always crap that people saw in social media (apparently, having an ego and wanting the world to know is part of being a mass murderer). There are always things that can be done and I can say with certainly that what Disney and UNI do simply isn't enough. It is largely theater.

The only real security I have ever seen was last month leading up to the Invictus Games. WDW felt more like a prison than a vacation destination.

4. Armed vets on the gates with proper weaponry? Wouldnt bother me but Mr & Mrs Beige wont want Princes cupcake being scared, so that's out too.

Well, we now have OC Sheriffs Deputies that are armed at all entrances ... not at all like WDW used to be ... an escape. I don't think it ever will be like that again. I so want to go back to 1986.

I've lived with this sort of poo most of my adult life, the only thing that's changed is that the dirt bag is happier to be martyred than to get away and strike another day as was the case with the earlier nut jobs. Well that and 24 hour news channels ramping up fear and talking bollox. Speculating doesn't do any good, and yes by responding Im as guilty as anyone.

Tragic as events are we just get on with things. Otherwise they've won.

Totally agree about that.

 

[SorcererMC]

I'll give you an example-at DL Paris they screen bags and wand guests coming into the resorts. Cars and Trucks entering the hotel parking lots are searched. None of that's happening yet in FL. You don't need to open fire at the castle stage

ok. thanks for response. I think that Disney/WDW does have a unique challenge in addressing security threats due to its size, and implementing ID checks at hotels is a smart idea. If WDW1974 is suggesting Israeli-style security checkpoints at other places on property, I could see that being warranted (instead of only at MK entrance gate).

 

[WDW1974]

WFTV is promoting a piece that mentions scouting Disney Springs.

I was just out for a late lunch and the TVs had FOX News on and while I couldn't hear sound, I saw headlines about Disney and footage of the MK and the castle ... BTW, watching local news now and it is awful. No compassion at all ... very matter of fact. And pushing people who were involved for interviews ...

 

[WDW1974]

All news outlets will, as it generates more clicks and views, regardless of the merit or reason.

And are you suggesting that the media should ignore this angle?

 

[WDW1974]

TSA or no TSA, a terrorist will never be able to hijack an airplane in America ever again. The passengers simply would never allow it- I'd personally beat them to a pulp or die trying.

All we need are bomb dogs and let's get those lines moving.

No, perhaps not. But one might wonder why it SOP to allow hijackers to take control of an airliner to begin with prior to 9/11.

And now ... we have cockpits that are inpenetratable and guess what? If you have a suicidal pilot, you are screwed (see: Germanwings pilot last year!)

Nothing is ever simple when trying to make us all safe. It just isn't.