MagicHappens1971
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It's honestly so upsetting, does anyone know what prompted TWDC to want to build SDL when they could've easily spent that money on improving WDW?
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Only a "Fool" Would Believe the 5th Park is Near...
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It's honestly so upsetting, does anyone know what prompted TWDC to want to build SDL when they could've easily spent that money on improving WDW?
Disneyhead'71
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When it does open, you may want to get your folks to test it before you give it a try. I hear it may be too intense for younger guests.
Progress.City
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Not when potential market share is up. As long as there is market growth, there shouldn't be diminishing returns.
Also, don't forget that Universal shares its market with Sea World and the OCCC (as well as all the businesses on I-Drive).
New content also drives market growth. Universal's new parks may do just that. If Disney's fifth gate is original, it may do just that as well.
GoofGoof
Premium Member
What if Universal's 4th gate is Sea World? It's probably for sale for the right price and desperately needs help. If they really build a 3rd gate by say 2020 they would be at 4 gates, equal with WDW. We all know WDW can't build a 5th gate by 2020 unless they break ground tomorrow.
MagicHappens1971
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Would Universal really wanna go that far out of their bubble? I honestly feel one of WDWs best factors is (as Walt wanted) that they have everything within a "bubble". And I feel like SeaWorld is a little far out of reach just compared to the rest of Universals stuff.
GhostHost1000
Premium Member
That could be possible actually however there are sea worlds in other places as well and not sure they'd want those
Disneyhead'71
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Universal's new property is about a mile from Sea World. I am sure Universal would love the SeaWorld real estate. They don't want "SeaWorld".
danlb_2000
Premium Member
I don't necessarily agree with that. It seems that the main point of having more parks is to convince people to stay longer, but there is a limit to how long most people will spend on a vacation. If Disney suddenly doubled their attendance what would make more sense, having 10 parks, or just 5 with the same number attractions?
GoofGoof
Premium Member
I don't think they have a choice. With buses they can move people around pretty easy although the roads around there are really congested. Maybe a light rail or monorail system but that expensive.
No clue if they would only be sold as a package deal. I'm not even sure that they would keep the sea animals and theme. They have a bunch of coasters and rides already. Maybe a reboot of the park.
Progress.City
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Comcast won't make a move to acquire it until it goes bankrupt. That's what they did with the 475 acres they recently acquired for USO. The previous owner of those acres went bancrupt and the properties went to court for bancrupcy procedure and they moved in for the kill.
They're like sharks. They'll wait by the gates with extreme patience for the right moment to attack.
GoofGoof
Premium Member
Blackstone will be tough to negotiate with. They don't like to lose either.
Progress.City
Well-Known Member
Let me give an example of what I'm talking about. In this example, I am making up numbers to make a point...
Let's say there are 40 million Star Wars fans who have never been to an Orlando theme park and had no intention of ever going to an Orlando-area theme park.
Let's say, after Star Wars Land opens, these 40 million changed their mind and decide to go to WDW to experience Star Wars Land.
Not only has WDW gained 40 million new visitors, but the Orlando-area theme park market grew as well by 40 million people.
In this case, WDW not only won those 40 million new park guests, but their market share for the Orlando-area also went up because these same 40 million stayed within the 4 theme parks and WDW property and did not go to the other area attractions.
Now, let's say half of those 40 million are also Star Trek fans. Let's say, Universal builds a Star Trek theme park in Orlando - its third gate. That will mean that 20 million of those 40 million Star Wars fans will also visit Universal. This would decrease Disney's market share growth because they will now be sharing 50% of that growth with Universal.
Now let's say also that there are 60 million Star Trek fans who said they would never go to an Orlando-area theme park. This changes, of course when Universal opens its Star Trek park. This results in Universal growing the Orlando-area theme park market by 40 million guests (60 million minus the 20 million Disney attracted because of Star Wars).
These numbers are pure market growth - growth that would not have happened had either company not opened Star Wars and Star Trek attractions. As you can see, this new growth also has the potential of feeding off one another.
My point is, if Universal is creating new market growth, Disney will loose its share of that market growth if it does nothing to attract it.
Buried20KLeague
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Two words: Iger Legacy.
Mike S
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I don't know why I'm even bothering with you but here's some of my older posts.
I'm also not a fan the human mannequins in E.T. or most of KidZone. Thankfully I won't have to deal with the latter much longer. The Cat in the Hat ride could also use some work. Fear Factor and the unused Toon Lagoon theater need to go as well. The Lost Continent may look great but the attractions are completely lacking (sound familiar?). I really hope the rumor of removing Dr. Doom for an Avengers E Ticket is true as well. Tower of Terror is the much superior drop ride. I have plenty of criticisms for Universal but based on their recent actions I also see from them a want to fix things unlike Disney who takes two steps forward with things like Avatar and Star Wars and 4 steps back with Frostrom and Toy Story Land. Don't even get me started on the missed potential of New Fantasyland.
You'll probably just ignore all of this and continue to paint me as super Universal fanboy so just go ahead.
Progress.City
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They've already done business with them. Remember, they originally owned half of USO. Comcast bought out their shares a couple of years ago.
Can't speak for everyone. But Star Wars Land is enough for me to bounce back to Disney World for a vacation. That's probably part of what they are banking on is that people won't just go to Hollywood Studios but all of the parks.
Stripes
Premium Member
If Universal starts building a third park, Disney is going to respond. Bob Iger is incompetent but he's not a dumba**. Either they'll do a full-scale remodel of Epcot or build a great number of new E-tickets across all of the parks (and market the h*** out of it). Personally, I think a video-game theme park as being rumored is an incredibly moronic move. Let's be honest here, hardly any females play them (there goes 50% of your market), Nintendo is pretty stale nowadays (due to their complete inability to produce mobile games). Obviously that's just rumors, just putting my opinion out there. If Universal ends up doing a Dreamworks oriented park, that would be much, much better, IMO, so many strong IPs they could use.
Progress.City
Well-Known Member
No, there's a parcel that's contiguous to Sea World property.
MagicHappens1971
Well-Known Member
Love this post, especially the part about all the missed potential of New Fantasyland. I've noticed that while Universal has made substantial upgrades, yet they're still lacking a bunch in many areas.
Sea World has Sharks...3rd gate?