On layoffs, very bad attendance, and Iger's legacy being one of disgrace

[RaiseTheShields]

We were able to buy one in April on amazon, at regular retail price. Miraculously. Use nowinstock.net on a computer and set it up desktop alerts + pop open the purchase window. That's also how we've been able to get stuff on Amazon that's in short supply, like hand sanitizer and disinfectant spray and wipes.

Recently got a switch using stockinformer with alerts from discord. Had one delivered to the house within a week. Super simple.

 

[rk03221]

Definitely not. Eisner was a great CEO for both the studios and the parks for the early part of his tenure and vastly superior to anything Iger has done.

Iger fixed all of Eisners mess. I highly recommend you watch anything on what DCA was when it first opened, it was embarrassing. Eisner almost lost Pixar, while Iger purchased it along with Star Wars and marvel. The “Save Disney” campaign was launched by Roy Disney jr. to save the company from Eisners mess. Iger has been the best CEO of the company since Walt.

Eisner has also been responsible for:
Dinoland
HK Disneyland (Never has had one (Profitable year)
Walt Disney studios in Paris (complete dump)
Do I need to go on?

 

[Brer Oswald]

Iger fixed all of Eisners mess. I highly recommend you watch anything on what DCA was when it first opened, it was embarrassing. Eisner almost lost Pixar, while Iger purchased it along with Star Wars and marvel. The “Save Disney” campaign was launched by Roy Disney jr. to save the company from Eisners mess. Iger has been the best CEO of the company since Walt.

He “fixed” all of Eisner’s messes, and then created a whole slew of his own. Such is the way of “The Disney CEO”. It’s a cycle.

 

[Mr Mindcrime]

Whew! Dang son, I finally caught up to the end of this thread. I didn't think I'd ever make it

 

[Getachew]

Plan B. Or A.

And a golf course perhaps.

Damn, you're an insider for UO too? lol

 

[MisterPenguin]

Damn, you're an insider for UO too? lol

He also knows what's in Burger King's secret sauce!

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Iger fixed all of Eisners mess. I highly recommend you watch anything on what DCA was when it first opened, it was embarrassing. Eisner almost lost Pixar, while Iger purchased it along with Star Wars and marvel. The “Save Disney” campaign was launched by Roy Disney jr. to save the company from Eisners mess. Iger has been the best CEO of the company since Walt.

Eisner has also been responsible for:
Dinoland
HK Disneyland (Never has had one (Profitable year)
Walt Disney studios in Paris (complete dump)
Do I need to go on?

I highly recommend you study Disney history. It was small potatoes when Eisner took over. Didn’t even have a functioning movie or television studio...couple of parks and some dusty animation reels...

Studios Paris and DCA were rushed and badly built...that is part of the story...but not the important part. Read up.

Iger has bought things and bled things. Both can be “good” or “bad” things depending on point of view...but don’t make them out to be more chivalrous than they are.

This is still a guy that abruptly quit after stock close when a crisis was rolling out. Let’s not give him a Nobel prize for it...maybe an Oscar?

He also knows what's in Burger King's secret sauce!

Woah...joke foul. It’s the Big Mac sauce and the colonels secret recipe that are Elusive

 

[brianstl]

Iger fixed all of Eisners mess. I highly recommend you watch anything on what DCA was when it first opened, it was embarrassing. Eisner almost lost Pixar, while Iger purchased it along with Star Wars and marvel. The “Save Disney” campaign was launched by Roy Disney jr. to save the company from Eisners mess. Iger has been the best CEO of the company since Walt.

Eisner has also been responsible for:
Dinoland
HK Disneyland (Never has had one (Profitable year)
Walt Disney studios in Paris (complete dump)
Do I need to go on?

Eisner bought Capital Cities and made it’s ESPN into it a money making machine that allowed Iger to go on his buying spree. Without the money making machine that ESPN was for a decade and half, nothing that happened under Iger could have happened. Also, Iger never would have been at Disney without Eisner buying Capital Cities.

 

[PhotoDave219]

Honestly...this is not a comparable example. It will be moreso if there’s a recession that sinks in and blasts travel after a solution to the health crisis emerges...like next year.

The 9/11 era Disney business is my wheelhouse...so I’m coming out of the bullpen throwing 99 on this one.

Oh I remember. (Its been a few years but i still remember a few things!) This will be far, FAR worse.

Its a more comparable example than using post-hurricane crowds is my overall point.

 

[PhotoDave219]

Just thinking about this now; how many within the fan community even went pre-2005?

It's now 2020. We have a whole generation of post-social media Disney fans who only first went within the last 10, maybe 15 years.

We used to talk about how many fans didn't know what Disney was like in the 90s. Now the early 2000s are ancient history to some.

Thats a damn good question.

And o be honest, those of us who went between 2002-2005 were spoiled by low crowds. It was damn enjoyable.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Oh I remember. (Its been a few years but i still remember a few things!) This will be far, FAR worse.

Its a more comparable example than using post-hurricane crowds is my overall point.

I’ll give you that.

I’ve just watched for months as people have casually made that comparison to make themselves feel “better” about what’s coming for their beloved magic kingdoms. (Not you...based on your response)
Kinda like a “meh...we’ve seen this before”

It really doesn’t equate much. I could write a book...
...and sometimes I do

 

[hopemax]

My first trip was 1995. At the time we were kind of perplexed about what Epcot was supposed to be. It was like 80% there, but missing something. And sadly, I can't remember most of the Epcot portions of that trip. My Dad remembers the pre-show from Universe of Energy. We both remember the first part of the original Figment, but not so much the rest. Bits and pieces from World of Motion. I got on RADP in 1996, and the Internet revealed the things that had already changed like Kitchen Kabaret and Horizons (which thankfully, I did get to experience thanks to the Test Track debacle), the old Communicore exhibits. I'm not sure if those would have helped (although Horizons definitely would, it's my favorite), but I would go back to all of it in a heartbeat.

Each change after, is like taking a piece of your heart, ripping it out and stomping on it. I can't think of anything I would trade of today over what was there before. Maybe some expanded bathrooms in World Showcase; maybe the 3 Caballeros AAs. I am scared and sad to imagine what is going to come next. I don't see current Disney doing anything other than rip out anything remaining from the old days because it's too expensive to maintain and operate, and the only things that will be added are the things that can be exploited ten ways from Sunday and require as little post-construction attention as possible. So like the last 15 years, but even worse. No charm, no surprise discoveries, no calmness (because your senses will be under constant assault needed for "engagement."). My "peak" Disney internet was the post-9/11 thru the start of the financial crisis period. I know where some of the internet analysis from that time period is buried, if we need to dig it out for the young uns.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Just thinking about this now; how many within the fan community even went pre-2005?

It's now 2020. We have a whole generation of post-social media Disney fans who only first went within the last 10, maybe 15 years.

We used to talk about how many fans didn't know what Disney was like in the 90s. Now the early 2000s are ancient history to some.

...a very good point as well

 

[mkt]

Damn, you're an insider for UO too? lol

Thanks to uoteam.com, we're all insiders

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

My first trip was 1995. At the time we were kind of perplexed about what Epcot was supposed to be. It was like 80% there, but missing something. And sadly, I can't remember most of the Epcot portions of that trip. My Dad remembers the pre-show from Universe of Energy. We both remember the first part of the original Figment, but not so much the rest. Bits and pieces from World of Motion. I got on RADP in 1996, and the Internet revealed the things that had already changed like Kitchen Kabaret and Horizons (which thankfully, I did get to experience thanks to the Test Track debacle), the old Communicore exhibits. I'm not sure if those would have helped (although Horizons definitely would, it's my favorite), but I would go back to all of it in a heartbeat.

Each change after, is like taking a piece of your heart, ripping it out and stomping on it. I can't think of anything I would trade of today over what was there before. Maybe some expanded bathrooms in World Showcase; maybe the 3 Caballeros AAs. I am scared and sad to imagine what is going to come next. I don't see current Disney doing anything other than rip out anything remaining from the old days because it's too expensive to maintain and operate, and the only things that will be added are the things that can be exploited ten ways from Sunday and require as little post-construction attention as possible. So like the last 15 years, but even worse. No charm, no surprise discoveries, no calmness (because your senses will be under constant assault needed for "engagement."). My "peak" Disney internet was the post-9/11 thru the start of the financial crisis period. I know where some of the internet analysis from that time period is buried, if we need to dig it out for the young uns.

That’s was right when Epcot was starting to fall behind a little. The original construction cost and realities of what they built put a strain on reinvesting in the park. They should have continued with pavilion additions and notably attractions...but the Eisner/wells regime decided to not go that route. Then the redo in the late 90’s was misguided and it’s been all but abandoned since.

Epcot was never “finished”...DAK is similar in that respect. Can’t build 3/4 or an inclusive concept and ever have it feel totally right.

 

[PhotoDave219]

Yeah - but the economy is interconnected. Where people would expect jobs to be shed.. aren't the only areas.. because while someone says "oh the waiter at the restaurant is sure to lose his work..." - this trickles way way back up the chain as all the companies that sell products to that restaurant are impacted, etc. Suddenly you have a Sales VP at a telecomms company sweating because it is not that his company is shutdown, it's the whole web of industry that is slowed that works its way back to them.

The drop in demand across the board is the real killer. Disney Parks and places like vegas are hyper exposed because they are so narrowly defined. When the travel engine shuts down... it's like someone sucking all the air out of the room.

Until the airline industry gets back to a healthy upward trend... I see Disney staying in deep doodoo.

As usual, you hit the nail right on the head. This is going to be bad. Very bad.

For years we've been said Orlando is a microcosm of the US economy. What we see happening there will reverberate and echo through the entire economy.

Get the virus under control and we have a chance. Until then? All bets are off.

 

[DVCakaCarlF]

That’s was right when Epcot was starting to fall behind a little. The original construction cost and realities of what they built put a strain on reinvesting in the park. They should have continued with pavilion additions and notably attractions...but the Eisner/wells regime decided to not go that route. Then the redo in the late 90’s was misguided and it’s been all but abandoned since.

Epcot was never “finished”...DAK is similar in that respect. Can’t build 3/4 or an inclusive concept and ever have it feel totally right.

Eisner did a good job developing crescent lake

 

[DVCakaCarlF]

Has any preliminary information been released prior to the call? Any analyst predictions?

 

[PhotoDave219]

I’ll give you that.

I’ve just watched for months as people have casually made that comparison to make themselves feel “better” about what’s coming for their beloved magic kingdoms. (Not you...based on your response)
Kinda like a “meh...we’ve seen this before”

It really doesn’t equate much. I could write a book...
...and sometimes I do

Ah. Given my hiatus, i shall elaborate farther.

The best case scenario right now is Disney's post 9/11 reaction. Which involved mass layoffs, cancelled projects, and attendance falling off a cliff.

You're right that it doesnt equate much, but its the closest I can come up with. Things are going to be bad.

 

[rk03221]

Let’s not forget Eisner green lit this: