On layoffs, very bad attendance, and Iger's legacy being one of disgrace

marni1971

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marni1971

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Didn’t say “Paul was good” or “Jack was bad” at all.

Actually, I think the creative for DCA, Tomorrowland 98, Light Magic, etc. were all terrible.

I’m just illustrating how Disney fans selectively apply facts. I can list a dozen positives and negatives for all of them.

That’s why I look at the actual situations and don’t create fictional characters to love or hate.
Eisner was good since he opened a second Californian park.

Eisner was bad since he opened DCA.

Like almost everything there’s much more under the skin.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

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Quite an important bit:

”It’s worth noting that neither study factors in the role wore face masks.”
No matter the factors....not good for Disney/travel
Eisner was good since he opened a second Californian park.

Eisner was bad since he opened DCA.

Like almost everything there’s much more under the skin.
Eisner built TWDC into a top level entertainment juggernaut.

Pressler was a suit that torpedoed the banana republic.
 

Jrb1979

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There is zero chance of the 'travel industry goes completely under' - They are too essential to the economic engines of the countries. What you will have tho is great reduction and a few 'chosen ones' left behind. Look for more gov backed loans to allow the airlines to stay private, but they will gut themselves to stay alive.
They won't go under but as far as theme parks I can see it becoming more of a regional affair. Destination parks won't as popular any more.
 

the.dreamfinder

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So I was on my modest Twitter account and a “Meme” popped up, bashing Chapek for the constant injection of modern film franchises in the parks, in places that they don’t belong.
Anyone else find it strange that Chapek gets the brunt of the blame for an Iger mandate? Let’s be real, this stuff predates Chapek. Heck, you can argue it predates Iger, with the Pressler years.

Makes you wonder what Big Robert is offering these “influencers” to protect his “legacy”. ;)
2017 D23 Expo Parks and Resorts panel was when it became really clear they wanted to reshape the parks in their image, regardless of fit or quality. Chapek has zero charm or charisma and just laid it out there and did so in a condescending and unvarnished manner. Iger’s never publicly done that, he always likes to be seen as the good guy. Though, as you note, Iger approved of all those changes towards a more IP/Franchise/Brand based product.
 

flynnibus

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They won't go under but as far as theme parks I can see it becoming more of a regional affair. Destination parks won't as popular any more.

Nope... people will travel again when it stops being such a hassle to do. This is a dip - not a new flat line. The problem is the dip will redefine the services offered and the question is how long it takes before they loosen the strings to get back to where they were.
 

Brer Oswald

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2017 D23 Expo Parks and Resorts panel was when it became really clear they wanted to reshape the parks in their image, regardless of fit or quality. Chapek has zero charm or charisma and just laid it out there and did so in a condescending and unvarnished manner. Iger’s never publicly done that, he always likes to be seen as the good guy. Though, as you note, Iger approved of all those changes towards a more IP/Franchise/Brand based product.
It just rubs me the wrong way that one guy gets all the blame, and the other guy gets off Scott Free, so much so that the same people who hate these changes treat him like the second coming.
And you and I both know he had as much of a hand in these decisions.
 

Jrb1979

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It just rubs me the wrong way that one guy gets all the blame, and the other guy gets off Scott Free, so much so that the same people who hate these changes treat him like the second coming.
And you and I both know he had as much of a hand in these decisions.
IMO they're both to blame with the IP centric junk. They have killed Epcot by adding in IP everywhere. Hollywood Studios is the most random park now with more IP that doesn't fit the original concept.
 

Jrb1979

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Nope... people will travel again when it stops being such a hassle to do. This is a dip - not a new flat line. The problem is the dip will redefine the services offered and the question is how long it takes before they loosen the strings to get back to where they were.
It has nothing to do with the hassle. The job losses are just starting and that will affect travel greatly. I don't see any of the Orlando are parks getting back to pre Covid levels for a few years at best.
 

tirian

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I disagree heartily. Epcot lost as Edutainment died off, it had nothing unique that couldn't already be found on the internet.
Although if the park had pursued its big-scale vision from 1982 and the ‘80s expansions, it would’ve remained unique. Only Communicore and post-ride kiosks were truly “edutainment,” and they were designed to be easily replaced over the years. Everything else typically focused on a historical jump to the future to avoid making the whole attraction outdated. Certain scenes were film-based to allow for new content, but Disney never updated Epcot the right way.
 

tirian

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Didn’t say “Paul was good” or “Jack was bad” at all.

Actually, I think the creative for DCA, Tomorrowland 98, Light Magic, etc. were all terrible.

I’m just illustrating how Disney fans selectively apply facts. I can list a dozen positives and negatives for all of them.

That’s why I look at the actual situations and don’t create fictional characters to love or hate.
All creative companies will have hits and misses. The big question is whether a company keeps pursuing new horizons or exploits a back-library to coast on nostalgia for the foreseeable future, compounded by whether the leaders understand why the nostalgia exists in the first place.

For that reason, I largely agree with the point you’re making, and would add Disney hasn’t been consistent since Walt died. After his passing, the company either had successful animated movies or successful live-action or successful theme parks, but never a combination of all three except for the brief era of Eisner/Wells.
 

Jrb1979

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I disagree heartily. Epcot lost as Edutainment died off, it had nothing unique that couldn't already be found on the internet.
I was talking more about what they are doing to world showcase. IMO they would have been better off going back to some of the original attractions that were planned for the different countries. Instead of Ratatouille build the boat ride Germany was supposed to have. Take the money wasted on Galaxy's Edge and use to build the Mt Fuji coaster. Frozen doesn't belong in World Showcase either.
 

flynnibus

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It has nothing to do with the hassle. The job losses are just starting and that will affect travel greatly. I don't see any of the Orlando are parks getting back to pre Covid levels for a few years at best.

It has alot to do with the hassle. Disney’s demographic is still spending money like mad... but now they are spending on their homes. The driving forces behind who and why that goto disney has not fundamentally changed. The rich are still spending.
 

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