On layoffs, very bad attendance, and Iger's legacy being one of disgrace

eliza61nyc

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That aligns with a slowly dawning realisation in Europe, be it travel, working patterns, many industries etc.
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👍. My industry (chemical, R&D) got hit earlier than many others because so much of our stuff comes from China. So when all hell broke loose in December we knew it was going to be bad. We were furloughed in April and now they are talking reduced hours.
I admire folks who thought this was going to be over quickly.
 

JoeCamel

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So just back from moving my daughters home. One is furloughed and one has been back since mid July virtually. The one furloughed has a new position at home and was only going to be with the company thru September. Her new postion is virtual so they were both going to stay in Orlando but with so much uncetainty no one felt comfortable signing a lease.

They put their apartment in storage and that place was hopping with many others doing the same.

MCO was eerie, everyone who working loooked incedibly unhappy. They also looked like they had nothing to do and many were sitting on there phones.

Did Epcot on Friday, everthing was a walk on except Frozen. EVERYONE wore masks and socially distanced. Even though I'm not huge into the fireworks it really was missed, its just not the same without it. Ate at Via Napoli as a walk in and the restaurant was at best guess 25%. They did a great job spacing people out. It was the first restaurant I have been to since COVID. I have tried to eat out at home but it just was always to crowded for me and didn't feel safe. The cast at Epcot must have said "thank you for coming back" to us at least ten times, the CM in parking really went on about it.

I wear a mask 12hrs/day but I have to say the Disney masks completely suck. Literally the same texture as a double layer of hanes mens underwear. If you go use surgical masks.

My kids had to get cleaning supplies at Publix and the 20 something cashier, asked if they were Cast. They said yes, but they are furloughed and moving back home. She pulled back her vest she had on and pinned to her shirt was her Cast member name tag and she said, "well we are all in the same boat." That was hard to watch.

Driving 1200 miles home saw many uhauls reminded me of 2009.

Stopping thru Georgia for gas and saw a handful of face masks and they were probably out of state. Got the eye roll when I walked in wearing a mask. So Georgia you get what you deserve.
Getting eyerolls in GA? Not surprising to say the least.
Hey now, a fellow Georgian here. We have nut jobs like the rest of the country, but near the metro, its a much different story then the rural areas off the highways.
That was my experience in Georgia a couple of weeks ago, southern they don't know what a mask is, northern much better compliance but the small towns really don't wear one unless you approach with one on then they might put one on.
 

Seanual757

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All over for Orlando, hotels are laying off meeting and banquet staff. Many of those are very highend, career positions that pay significantly better then working in the parks for either Disney or Universal.

At Universal, the entire reason Royal Pacific and Sapphire Falls even exist is to serve convention and meeting business. The same can be said for the Hyatt’s, Hilton’s and Marriotts around town which include some of the largest meeting spaces in the country outside of Vegas. From first hand knowledge, many of these recent hotel layoffs are directly related to the complete evaporation of business travel. Leisure tourism is very much a secondary market for those properties.

At the moment, the buzz in the meeting industry is that we are starting to write off spring as well. When Covid hit in March, many of the Fortune 500 list put formal travel restrictions in place immediately through at least the summer. That was quickly extended through the end of the year. In the last few weeks, I’ve begun hearing and seeing ‘no earlier then April’ from some big names, and that’s if everything goes perfectly this winter. Conventions and meetings are typically planned 6-18 months in advance, so filling the calendar again is going to be a very slow process.

Business leaders in Orlando are already talking about 2021 being a wast and mid to late 2022 to see things starting to look positive but that depends on the economy after this mess.
 

legwand77

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Hours are being cut.. we are already into the spring of next year before some hotels are even planing on opening, if they do.. numerous insiders along with cm’s that have heard things say nighttime fireworks won’t be happening until next year sometime.. conventions and business meetings still being cancelled for the rest of the year in Orlando.. parks not even hitting capacity on most days except for on occasion the weekend. You can say what you like but if you just open your eyes and see what’s going on.. also listen to people more in the know then us here.. it’s very plain to see. Nothing wrong with having rose colored glasses on, that I’ll give you but it’s also bad to assume things. Just take a look around.
And this is all being done without knowledge of whether a “second wave” will hit. Could actually get worse .
All those things are ifs and "rumors". Today in Florida less than 2000 positive test are reported (not cases as we have found out), yes it is a Monday but it is the lowest since 6/14 and CLI indicators are still dropping so hospitalization will continue to fall off fast.

While it will take longer for the conventions and meetings to spin up it will be faster than you are positing if the trend over the last month continues.

*If I got my news on here I would be thinking that by riding the Skyliner, I would die in heat inferno or the car would fall off and plunge to a horrible death.
 

EPCOT-O.G.

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You obviously misread my response.
I didn’t. The poster you were responding to was discussing the broader trends in conventions and large meetings. Those affect the convention-reliant resorts s/he was talking about, which are planned months and years in advance. Local government’s decisions to adjust mask mandates (which are being done now) and WDW’s ongoing assessment as to hours adjustments and resumption of fireworks) which they are doing now) are completely decoupled from what large conventions or large employers may do in late 2021 or 2022. Stop conflating the two.
 

Lilofan

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Hours are being cut.. we are already into the spring of next year before some hotels are even planing on opening, if they do.. numerous insiders along with cm’s that have heard things say nighttime fireworks won’t be happening until next year sometime.. conventions and business meetings still being cancelled for the rest of the year in Orlando.. parks not even hitting capacity on most days except for on occasion the weekend. You can say what you like but if you just open your eyes and see what’s going on.. also listen to people more in the know then us here.. it’s very plain to see. Nothing wrong with having rose colored glasses on, that I’ll give you but it’s also bad to assume things. Just take a look around.
I've been through major airports recently. There so many dining facilities closed up except the occasional fast food options. Hours haven't been cut there. Thy have been eliminated.
 

LUVMCO

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Hours are being cut.. we are already into the spring of next year before some hotels are even planing on opening, if they do.. numerous insiders along with cm’s that have heard things say nighttime fireworks won’t be happening until next year sometime.. conventions and business meetings still being cancelled for the rest of the year in Orlando.. parks not even hitting capacity on most days except for on occasion the weekend. You can say what you like but if you just open your eyes and see what’s going on.. also listen to people more in the know then us here.. it’s very plain to see. Nothing wrong with having rose colored glasses on, that I’ll give you but it’s also bad to assume things. Just take a look around.
And this is all being done without knowledge of whether a “second wave” will hit. Could actually get worse .
Park hoppers and water park tickets are being sold on next year's packages that's a good sign. We may not have a second wave and things may not get worse. I don't think anyone is unaware of the recession. This isn't our first recession nor our last. It's not rose-colored glasses it's called being positive that we will get through this like we always do. Successful people are not negative,
 

Lilofan

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Park hoppers and water park tickets are being sold on next year's packages that's a good sign. We may not have a second wave and things may not get worse. I don't think anyone is unaware of the recession. This isn't our first recession nor our last. It's not rose-colored glasses it's called being positive that we will get through this like we always do. Successful people are not negative,
In my lifetime there has never been a situation where so many people, their businesses, employment etc are in these situations. Successful people are also realistic.
 

rowrbazzle

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Park hoppers and water park tickets are being sold on next year's packages that's a good sign. We may not have a second wave and things may not get worse. I don't think anyone is unaware of the recession. This isn't our first recession nor our last. It's not rose-colored glasses it's called being positive that we will get through this like we always do. Successful people are not negative,
That should be encouraging, but Disney was also taking reservations for dates this summer despite apparently having no intention of opening. They just announced they were keeping the Polynesian closed until Summer 2021. Punting on the highest rates of the year, along with next Spring Break and Easter, seems like a bad sign for expected demand. 😕 I agree we'll get through it, though.
 

LUVMCO

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That should be encouraging, but Disney was also taking reservations for dates this summer despite apparently having no intention of opening. They just announced they were keeping the Polynesian closed until Summer 2021. Punting on the highest rates of the year, along with next Spring Break and Easter, seems like a bad sign for expected demand. 😕 I agree we'll get through it, though.
I would expect as they increase capacity park hoppers will return. I wonder what their plan is for managing it with park reservations? Hopefully, they plan on increasing ride capacity otherwise there's going to be some really long lines. Discounts for 2021 would be the best sign.
 

legwand77

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I would expect as they increase capacity park hoppers will return. I wonder what their plan is for managing it with park reservations? Hopefully, they plan on increasing ride capacity otherwise there's going to be some really long lines. Discounts for 2021 would be the best sign.
I could see that being the case, hard to manage capacity limits with park hoppers.
 

DisneyDebRob

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Park hoppers and water park tickets are being sold on next year's packages that's a good sign. We may not have a second wave and things may not get worse. I don't think anyone is unaware of the recession. This isn't our first recession nor our last. It's not rose-colored glasses it's called being positive that we will get through this like we always do. Successful people are not negative,
I am a very positive person and always hope for the best. I also never assume things. I’m hoping for the absolute best so I can reschedule my 2 times canceled trip which is now January, but I also know that things could get worse.
 

Nubs70

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Give it time.
On eviction moratoriums:

If you own a rental property, renter is past due and cannot be evicted. Who pays the mortgage on the rental property?

When the owner of the rental property cannot pay the mortgage, can the bank forclose on the property?

When the bank forcloses on the rental property, can the bank evict the renter?
 

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